I don’t think you understand this correctly. Fossils happen all the time and record millions of years of death in ordinary situations. Mass extinctions happen rather more quickly (particularly the K/T event) and don’t form many fossils. A small proportion of the organisms living at any given time end up as fossils. So all those fossils below the K/T boundary clay do not represent an extinction event. The K/T boundary clay itself represents the extinction event, a brief moment in time.
I have no idea what you are talking about there.
Easy: they’re fossils of organisms that lived after the mass extinction. Life goes on.
Because there was no global flood and because floods don’t produce that sort of sediment. Floods don’t make limestone, and they don’t make terrestrial sediments (well, many terrestrial sediments are laid down by floods, but those are very local events, not worldwide ones).
It shows no such thing, and I have no idea why you think so. The boundary clay results from the return to the surface of ejecta from the impact. It contains the sort of particles we expect from such ejecta, notably shocked quartz. And of course its iridium content shows that it came from a single extra-terrestrial object.
I didn’t study your beliefs. But if you are badgering me, then likely you are an Atheist. What a deduction!
let me skip ahead to the next… Some Atheists claim to be Agnostic. it really means they are Atheists with a softer sell willing to be forced out of their belief in Atheism. So Agnostics have to hold on to beliefs to justify their Atheist views like Evolution. So it would make you the one that was gas-lite.
I dont blame you. I blame teachers in public school indoctrinating kids to believe a dozen false conclusions.
For fun I will give you one in context of the discussion and comments made. Here I said, a global flood could rapidly lay down sediment… That was rejected. It wasn’t the way and it wasn’t water etc…
Yet, let me clip a segment about the Impact that supposedly ended the dinosaurs.
sciencedaily (dot) com/releases/2019/03/190329144223 (dot) htm
At least two huge seiches inundated the land, perhaps 20 minutes apart, leaving six feet of deposits covering the fossils. Overlaying this is a layer of clay rich in iridium, a metal rare on Earth, but common in asteroids and comets. This layer is known as the K-T, or K-Pg boundary, marking the end of the Cretaceous Period and the beginning of the Tertiary Period, or Paleogene.
You see, when it suits its just fine to lay down a layer across a continent in 10 minutes, but when I say it, no, it had to take 80 million years.
The problem isn’t the evidence and the fossils of fish ferns foul trees etc. all captured the same then as they are now, proving evolution didn’t happen, but the way you absorb that information and with what sort of a slant and spin you want to put on it.
If I had a scientist on my payroll I would ask them to do a test. on Elephants and Giraffes and whales. Irradiate them with Iridium for two months and then have them procreate to see if there are genetic changes specifically around size. And for how long they will live for the next generations.
Why? because the bible talks about Dinosaurs and massive creatures as does Science but then all of a sudden the huge shells and the huge animals are gone. And the life span of things changed. According to the bible people could live up to 900 years. Then after the flood 120 years. It might be circumstantial but what are the chances that Noah for example and his few children were exposed to radiation and it altered the human race. messed up the replication of a gene etc.
Science looks at the puzzle History (the bible) and Sedimentary layers provide us the puzzle. they can work together to reveal what happened.
Answers in Genesis, Institute for Creation Research, and Creation Ministries International are always looking for fresh talent. Have you considered submitting some of your work?
No I have not. Ken Ham is an extra special sort of guy. There are not many like him. He has been a Target for many haters. I did not know you were one of those people.
The Science I am interested in is Physics, Quantum physics and material Science as it pertains to gravity and what roll chemistry/material science has to play in it. Not so I could write something about it but so I could fly without fossil fuel from planet to planet. And in the process of that adventure I have one invention that I happened on accidentally that works.
But like most Science, I haven’t a clue as to why it works or totally understand all it does. The discovery/invention was found because I was going off an Idea I saw in the bible around quantum physics. I tossed the contempt… I said, so what if I just throw all the doubt away and instead say how… Assuming every ounce of it is natural science, from Jesus walking on the water to him healing it was about physics… How? How did Moses cross. If he could part water, take the hocus pokus out of it, assume it was one of us and we did it. How? And when I read the bible looking for clues I found several and I combined that with what Israel was doing on quantum Levitation and Poof. The basic answers was right there in front of us. And I am not going to tell you. LoL. Cause the invention I have now is mine and the one I know will at some point work, I hope in my life time, will be mine. With My name on it. And, I will fight tooth and nail and lose, but for the sake of it, fight that no Atheist ever gets to use the invention because it came out of the bible.
I don’t use google, I use Duck Duck Go. But when I went to look I knew the information was parse.
So, I just searched for google then googled to find this: No dinosaur fossils are found above the K/T boundary; however, no dinosaur fossils are found within a meter below the K/T boundary. The last appearance of dinosaur eggshells and footprints occur 2 million years prior to the K/T boundary. - Google.
Look up “Signor-Lipps effect”. The last fossils of X are expected to come before the actual last X (and the first fossils of X are also expected to come after the first X). This is a result of an incomplete fossil record.
And of course no dinosaur fossils are found above the K/T boundary. The Chicxulub impact caused the extinction of the dinosaurs (except for birds, that is).
Also, when quoting a reference, please cite the reference.
You didn’t read much of that article. That was a local flood, at the mouth of a river. I’m not sure what “seiches” are, though. Nor are the fossils in that deposit the same as living species. Iridium is not radioactive.
Do you realize that you are insulting everyone here, most especially the scientists? And even more than that, you are insulting the Christians here. Must you do it so casually and unthinkingly?
Good Morning. The day has already got away from me… Good comment. However my point is that the Chicxulub did not wipe out the Dinosaurs. It was an event shortly after. The Fossils are buried long before and the event does not leave a killing field behind like the event that did kill the dinosaurs.
If there was ever a spot in the geological column that resembled the global flood talked about in Genesis it is these couple layers. I did post a second link but for you I will do it again. The first was just a google… the second was to Science Daily. I don’t fully agree with their conclusions on time but on content yes. And its more likely there was a lot more than one rock falling from space. And people may not realize it but we are flying through the universe at incredible speeds something like 80 or 100 times the speed of sound. If at any time we interacted with something not moving of any size it would be catastrophic.
Your point is wrong. You don’t read much, and you don’t understand what you read. Trying to talk to you is hopeless. What part of “in North Dakota” and “The heaving sea turned into a 30-foot wall of water when it reached the mouth of a river” and “unique, fossilized graveyard” would be unclear to you? This is by no means a worldwide or even widespread deposit. All you’re doing here is giving creationists a bad name. Are arrogance and conceit sins? Let’s call them “pride”.
Its not just about a local river. the KT boundary circles the globe. The amount of impact is far greater than anything discussed by any article or perceived. It appears as we travel through the universe our solar system ran into a crumble of dust and rock. It would be interesting to see if that same layer is on the Moon and on Mars or if it was timed just right or small enough to miss all them. But the whole world. the amount of material would be astronomical. pun intended.
The article may be talking about a local event with their rhetoric attached but its far bigger than a steam bed. Far bigger than America. Far bigger than Nato. Far bigger.
Yes, but the flood you’re talking about doesn’t. In most places, the K/T boundary is a thin (sometimes less than a centimeter) layer of bluish clay. And no, there was a single impact, in Yucatan. Everything else is a consequence of that. There is no such layer on the moon or Mars. You are displaying abundant pride and a haughty spirit.
I would try to explain further, but I don’t think you’re listening.
Thats great and fine. I grasp the Idea of a wall of water. its not enough. even that impact would not be enough. the whole world would have to have a wall of water. Its about grasping the size of the issue. You can google earth Mexico and look at the land. while the impact was huge, it wasn’t earth shattering to the point to cause the whole world to have a tidal wave.
And if it was. Isn’t that a global flood? Not that I think that is how it went down. But the boundary and the sediment is far bigger than one impact no matter how big. They are not seeing it for the size of the planet wide sediment.
The main cause of extinction was infrared radiation from re-entry of ejecta. Try this: Robertson D.S., McKenna M.C., Toon O.B., Hope S., Lillegraven J.A. Survival in the first hours of the Cenozoic. Geological Society of America Bulletin 2004; 116:760-768. Sorry, but I haven’t been able to find a complete copy free on the web. The planet-wide sediment is that thin clay layer, the remains of all that re-entering ejecta.
my Argument is, that is the End of the Extinction not the beginning of it. No fossils are found in it or slightly below it. I don’t doubt it happened. OR that it happened rapidly after a global flood killing just about everything. (they say, the they people hiding under the internet.) They say this event killed 80% of everything. I would consider that a rough day. We should name it climate week. Maybe Climate month. Heck why not just label it the global flood lasting a whole year shifting continents wiping out just about everything. The Year Music died.
I would ponder that the event was far larger than what we perceive and I ponder that this event was not millions of years ago but almost yesterday and it was recorded in the bible.
I would even speculate its possible that the time frame was larger than the bible parses it too, to some degree but that it still was thee event. And its why we had a small ice age and why we only have a few inches of topsoil and a few trees. We don’t have millions of years of history since then but seconds in a big time line.
I would speculate that the Mitochondrial Eve started then. through possibly 8 people or 800… neither matters but That would be a bottle neck in history for sure.
I listen but I also think. And I was just looking how far the effect was and it looks like it only hit has far as Huston Texas. Geologically, the K/T boundary is found in oceanic sediments over the entire Earth. But the major effects from the blast just to as far as Texas and around.