General questions on light and special relativity

I’m sorry for being derogatory, on second reading, it’s a very harsh thing to say.

What I am more concerned with is this: you claim that you can justify a non-standard interpretation of the Lorentz transformation, yet are very amateurish with the standard interpretation. When we want to modify something, it is important to first master what we want to modify. This is also coupled with your misunderstandings of equations such as, and I quote from your other posts:

\LARGE v(t) = \int {a(t)}

the way you write it doesn’t even have any mathematical meaning…

Your last post on the twin paradox also shows that you don’t even grasp the basics of special relativity, yet try to use it to justify preferred frame effects.

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You mean the indefinite integral rather than the definite integral? I could throw in a dummy variable and then insert the limits of the integral.

If that’s the fix I need, then I thank you for your comment. That made it worth my while then to post it here.

you can justify a non-standard interpretation of the Lorentz transformation

That was more in line with the interpretation by Lorentz himself in his Lorentz Ether Theory (LET). I’m not exactly re-inventing the wheel, just resurrecting what was suggested by the author of the transformations that are, ironically, still at the heart of Einstein’s version of relativity.

At issue is whether there can be experimental test that distinguishes Loretz-SR from Einstein-SR, and I think something entailing speed of light in a di-electric medium like air or glass where there is Fresnel dragging will be a deciding factor. In fact, Fresnel dragging wasn’t even mentioned in my intro Electro Dynamics book by Hayt. I have the Griffiths book somewhere packed away and I have to look at it. Michelson-Interferometers that have Frenel dragging apparently show the anomaly that favor’s Lorents.

An important experiment, that Lorentz analyzed and provided his own Fresnel dragging formula is the Fizeau experiment:

The Michelson-Morely experiment with air inside the interferometer had small amounts of Fresnel dragging. The versions of this experiment were by Michelson-Morely themselves and Dayton Miller. When analyzed in light of the Fresnel dragging, we see the appropriate fright shifts.

Your last post on the twin paradox also shows that you don’t even grasp the basics of special relativity, yet try to use it to justify preferred frame effects.

One clock accumulates less ticks than another. That is experimentally verified. Extending the thought experiment a little farther will show there is a V_ref = 0.

It is clear that your preferred frame theory is different from Lorent’s original ether theory. Hendrik Lorentz’s theory, by construction, has no observable prediction that is distinct from special relativity. You are making modifications upon Lorentz’s original theory.

If you read through this thread Theories with Preferred Frames vs Solutions with Preferred Frames, I discussed before that :

Newtonian mechanics has an infinite number of preferred frames , called inertial frames.

Newtonian mechanics, and by extension, special relativity, do have an infinite number of preferred frames, the non-inertial frames. This is distinct from “preferred frame” effects, which specifically refers to having a preferred non-inertial frame.

The fact that non-inertial frames are preferred in SR is not news. This is the cause of the asymmetry in the twin paradox, one frame is inertial, while the other isn’t. This is covered in any basic special relativity textbooks.

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Ok, a student exercise thought experiment involving Base Space station with two spacecraft (Turtle and Rabbit). We launch the space craft in opposite directions and accelerate them to 86.66% the speed of light relative to the Base Space station and coast along for a while, then they return to the space station. And (with some adjustment due to acceleration and GR) effects, we find the clocks on Turtle and Rabbit have fewer ticks than the clock on the Base Space station. Do you have a problem with that? We record the number tick difference between the Base Station, Turtle and Rabbit.

Now we will replicate the experiment with the only variation that the Base Station before launching the rockets will itself be accelerated to 86.66% the speed of light in the direction that Rabbit will eventually be launched. When Base Station accelerates to it’s terminal velocity (relative to where it started) at 86.66% the speed of light, I expect one would get the same result comparing ticks with Rabbit against Base Station, but what about ticks of Turtle vs. Base Station?

You missed my last post, I’ll copy it here:

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Thank you, that’s what I was looking for. I mis-read what your wrote the first time.

EDIT: That one comment by you made it worth my time to post my ideas here at PeacefulScience. I’m indebted to you for that comment.

I’m afraid this is not well explained in text because two frames that are unacelerated relative to each other during the experiment are considered inertial in the treatment of elementary explanations!

The history of acceleration of one frame relative to another is not usually stated in elementary treatments. The two frames are treated as inertial.

In the limit of infinite acceleration (which for ease, is usually what is presented in introductory textbooks), Rabbit (the moving twin) only becomes non-inertial at one point: the turning point. This is enough to break the symmetry in the twin paradox.

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But regarding these supposed intertial frames, how then do we deal with the supposed clocks in Supernova decay curves. Supernova at High Z supposedly evolve slower relative to our clock. Do their clocks really slow down or is that an illusion? I mean if we had an observer in this High Z supernova looking at us in our vicinity, would they think supernova near us had slower clocks. Assume the answer is yes, that means both clocks slowed down? That seems a logical contradiction.

Having high z supernova breaks the degeneracy, as the time dilation due to cosmological redshift is a GR (gravitational) effect that is non-symmetric. In other words, the frame of the high-z supernova is not inertial and cannot be treated with special relativity.

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Thank you, that’s what I suspected. That was immensely helpful.

Really? As opposed to space expansion? I am surprised at this response and need clarification.

It is due to the expansion of space. This expansion is a GR (gravitational) effect, and is what makes the frame of the high-z supernova non-inertial. In the picture with Hubble velocity, the velocity changes with distance, so there is acceleration, making the frame moving with Hubble velocity non-inertial.

@stcordova from what you said in the other thread: Teaching Christian Apologetics in a MegaChurch (McLean Bible) with TE's, OECs, YECs it seems that you misunderstood or didn’t read this point (added emphasis):

The history does not matter in determining whether a frame is inertial or not. When a frame has no acceleration, it is inertial.


no, there is no such thing as gravity as some theorize. It is simply attraction. This attraction comes from single atoms, and they connect to us and us to other things, And lines of force I call filaments stick out of an atom allowing us to interact or know it exists.
Light is absorbed by atoms and then shot back out. While it might seem that light bounces off, it doesn’t. It just appears like that. instead emissions from atoms give us a geolocation as to where they are.
my main point about light is that it is not a wave. A wave is just points plotted on a graph showing the different amounts of energy plotted at any given time. Once this wave business is lost then the real discovery as to how light works will come forward.

Here is one of the worst misunderstanding of light.

That looks like a distinction without a difference. Gravity is the attraction between masses. You claim there are filaments, but you don’t explain what these filaments are or what they are made of.

If light is not a wave, then why does it behave like a wave?

If one squints in the right way one could see the virtual gravitons of a quantum gauge theory of gravity as his filaments.

Poe or crank magnetism?

If Poe’s law is correct, it is impossible to say. :wink: