Up until the a stage where we have some evidence that the fetus can experience suffering, yes. Beyond that, only in serious medical (if carrying the pregnancy to completion is very dangerous or life-threatening to the woman) or emotional circumstances. I would not demand of a woman she give birth to a child resulting from a rape, for example. In that situation I would weigh the suffering of the woman over the suffering of the fetus.
Your turn to answer questions: How did you determine that God is good?
Do you support the death penalty?
Are you okay with dropping bombs on enemy combatants knowing it will result in collateral damage to civilian bystanders?
Nah, they just haven’t evolved and adapted enough to their environment. Let 'em die. The planet’s crowded, anyway.
Is there any point in letting this continue?
That response makes no sense. Evolution explains how different species evolved, we don’t have to structure our society to mirror evolution at all.
Evolution explains how we came to be. It does not follow from this mere fact what kinds of laws on behavior we should built our civilization on.
I don’t think so.
Evolution imputes no value and our lives have no purpose.
I agree completely. Value is something we have to make. To say that we value something is to talk about how we feel about something. To say that something has value is to talk about how it affects our mental states.
and our lives have no purpose.
We can make our own purpose. If I can make a screwdriver with a purpose, then I can make a purpose for myself too. I can simply decide what my purpose is, what I want to achieve in life.
At least now I know the next time I am at a party not to mention the topic of rolly polly evolution.
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And then you die. Purposeless.
You better what out @DaleCutler You are close to a red line here with me. You don’t want to be Hitch slapped this early in the new year.
Some people figure that out earlier and take their own lives.
(It’s nice to have a temporary purpose if you are comfortable in life, but not all are.)
All the more reason to make one so you don’t waste this one short life you get in vain hope you will be granted another, longer life just because you don’t like that you one day will die.
I don’t need to be worried about being hitchslapped because I know who is the ultimate Arbiter of the validity of arguments and the Knower of hearts and minds.
A certain fallacy of incredulity is evident in that.
Some times the reality of life isn’t what we want. But we also can’t just wish or believe us to another life. No amount of believing or merely wanting or wishing something really hard will magically make it come true.
I almost get the feeling you’re somehow trying to say that God and an afterlife has to exist, because you just can’t stand to think about it otherwise. Needless to say, your feelings don’t dictate reality. It’s not how you want it to be? Tough, do something about it. Thoughts and prayers will not get you change, but taking action just might.
I don’t agree at all. I don’t mind the question. Dale asks about something that is clearly important to him, as it should be.
I agree. But it is merely your fallacy of incredulity demanding that God does not exist, and that Christians are all deluding themselves. A pretty decent book is The Case for a Creator.
I haven’t read these, but I trust his testimony :
I’m far more inclined to take Rumraket’s testimony as to what he believes.
I think that’s a misrepresentation of the view of every atheist I’ve ever met.
Dale, if you have to misrepresent the views of others to support your own, there’s probably something wrong with your position.