At the risk of adding more confusion, would playing cards be useful in this exercise?
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It all depends on who your friends are, doesnāt it?
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That may depend on the cleverness of his programs. 
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Still 6 months before I go back. I should go Mohawk too ā¦
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@jeffb is hereby dubbed āFriendly Mohawked YEC.ā
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Ok, time to move on.
You asked me three questions and I promised to give you answers, which I gave.
When I came to this site, I had a feeling there would be quite a mix of folks. Some curious, some open for dialog, some wanting debate, some attackers, and even some trolls.
You are obviously more interested in debates. Iām not. In fact, if I was paying attention I might have seen that ahead of time from this question which started it all:
You know what, I think I like that answer. From now on Iām going with that one anytime any evolutionist asks.
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That makes sense to me .
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It is a good thought experimentā¦ In fact sitting here thinking about it some more, I see itās not a good counter-argument.
The issue here is the closeness towards a tree like structure, which is statistically measurable, not just the ability to create one. Thatās the first time Iāve offered that ākitchenā analogy. Iām definitely going to drop that one, thank you.
You know, throwing yourself out there like I did seems risky. But itās this kind of refinement I know I need.
@swamidass, Iām glad you joined in. I might have missed that point (sorry to the others who made it as well, too much thrown at me to catch it). Honestly I got on today with so many replies that I figured Iād just skip those, end the discussion with John and move on. I wish I had time to read all of them, but just canāt. Been a busy week, got a wife to go home toā¦
Again, tnx.
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Ha! I like it. Thanks!
I did go mohawk-adjacent for a whileā¦ Canāt find a better photo now, but it was mohawk mullet, just kinda wide
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Not everyone is interested in debates, so I can completely understand where you are coming from. I hope you will come back to read some of our threads which may or may not expose you to some information you find interesting. This site also supports private messages if you want to ask questions of specific people (and make it plain to them that you arenāt looking for debate).
Good luck on your journeys, and hoping yours and ours 2021 is an improvement on the 2020 apocalypse.
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To be fair, I think one of your first contributions was a flat but unsupported contradiction of a comment I made that the evidence doesnāt support a global flood. I guess itās possible to toss rhetorical grenades without follow-up, but Iām not sure how productive it is. (Text is awful at conveying tone: Iām going for wryly amused, not hostile!)
Certainly avoiding a debate structure makes sense: I donāt think itās especially effective as a means of finding truth or testing propositions.
So making a single long, clear post in which you lay out the case for (or against) something, which seems to be your preferred mode (please correct me if Iām wrong), has a place, I thinkā¦ but there may still be a need to clarify issues and ideas or respond to critiques, unless your writing is a lot more perfect than mine!
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Thatās right. And it turns out that itās usually impossible to put most designed things into a tree, without their being lots of traits that randomly, with out good reason, do not fit tree.
You can drop the kitchen analogy if you like, and use play cards, vehicles, planes, or whatever you like.
Biology ends up different because most the features will fit the tree very closely. We donāt expect it to fit perfectly, so there are exceptions, and it turns out the exceptions make sense based on known and observable mechanisms.
Of course God could have created everything to fit a tree de novo, but there isnāt a good reason why he would. So the phylogenetic tree of life isnāt evidence against de novo creation, and it isnāt the whole story, but it certainly is evidence for common descent.
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Not really. Iām interested in two things: finding out how you justify your creationism scientifically, and in trying to convince you that your justification is wrong, which it is. Is that debate? Not as I see it. And you could benefit from an examination of your reasons.
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Easy there tiger. Give him some time and some space.
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Now I may have nightmaresā¦
Well normally I can handle a little debate (although I much prefer dialogs), I just wasnāt prepared for a more full debate. Plus, there are certain things that occur during a dialog which make me lose interest in continuing it (Iāll purposely remain vague there). Looking back, as this particular conversation grew, I started withdrawing interest in it, and started paying attention less, and in the process almost missed a good learning point. But thankfully @swamidass jumped in. Iām certainly willing to listen to him (btw, apologies to the rest of you who, now that I recall I think might have been saying the same thing).
BTW I do find it was odd that I āchecked outā so early in that discussion. Normally Iām better at āeating the meat and throwing out the bone. In fact, during all my research on challenges to creation, I had to learn how to filter out a jab or insult in order to read or listen anyway. I really have to do that with Aron Ra (as you can imagine). My attitude is: despite his insults, I want to hear what he has to say.
Iām always open to learning. Iāll try to scan through these. But really, in hind-sight, Iād like to āscrap that first entry from the recordā. It was pretty slopy. I just threw it together off the top of my head, and apparently wasnāt ready for āpeer reviewā. Some of it I hadnāt reviewed in a while.
I think Iāll try to take a little more time on these topics and but forth a better response. Which BTW means going back and listening to AronRa videos again. Heās so pleasant for us creationists to listen to 
. Plus I have a good book on this I want to review, but is hidden in the attic somewhere (I just tried looking). Soā¦again itās been a while since I studied phylogenies, but now might be a good time for review.
How does that sound? And btw, I hope thereās not a tight deadline on getting my homework in. Family comes in town tonight for the holidaysā¦
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True. Not the best style. I know at some point those need to be followed up on.
I think for me, itās not the structure I avoid as much as itās certain personalities.
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Not to speak of the cultural appropriation. 