Jeremy Christian's Take on Adam

[swamidass (S. Joshua Swamidass)]

@Jeremy_Christian

These hybrid offspring, who are all of us today, are Nephilim, the Fallen.

I will certainly read more, but this is a particular area of interest, so I can’t help myself. The problem with a lot of what’s quoted here is that it’s not taking into account the definition that the text itself gives of the Nephilim. “Heroes of old, men of renown”.

Regarding Genesis 6:1-4, I think every scholar would agree that nothing is obvious here, and we should be very tentative. I just gave one reading here. There are others.

@Jeremy_Christian

Image has nothing to do with biology.

My guess is that your statement about image having nothing to do with biology is at least strongly based on the idea that God created us in His image? Which comes from this line. Am I wrong?

Not really. Read here: What is the Image of God?

@Jeremy_Christian

@Jeremy_Christian, I appreciate that you are trying to put together a model, but I’m concerned you weren’t working with the whole deck of cards. How rigid are your views in all this? Are you willing to adjust?

I only care about what’s true. If it can be shown that I’m wrong I’ll drop it. I’ve got stacks of decks of cards. We’ve hardly scratched the surface.

Okay, then perhaps slow down a bit on Genesis 6:1-4. It seems that you are just hearing about the “human” vs. adam distinction.

@Jeremy_Christian

Sorry, but this doesn’t fit the text of Gen 1:26-27 – “Then (a singular) Elohim said, ‘Let us…’. So (a singular) Elohim created 'adam in his image.”

So, if singular, who’s “us”?

Several views. Heiser and @jongarvey would say the Divine Court.

Remember also that the name of God is different in Genesis 1 (Elohim) and Genesis 2 (Yaweh Elohim).

@Jeremy_Christian

You’re wrong about Gen 6:3–it also has the definite article. Furthermore, we must not assume that the definite artlcle works the same way as English in each instance.

My point was that keying in on that one word isn’t going to help. By that reasoning, it’s all Adam every time that word is used.

Sure, why not? Maybe in means the “lineage of Adam”? That is how many people are taking it. Adam seems to be an important word here, and it might be used with some precision through out Genesis.