Jim Tour Endorses The Genealogical Adam and Eve

[Michael_Okoko]

@Herman_Mays

So let’s see. Everyone in this population were our genealogical ancestors, except those outside the garden (we don’t know what or where that is) who only joined our genealogical ancestry when breeding with one special created couple in that population

The POGs existed before A&E and were the genealogical ancestors. A&E were just miraculous additions to that population. My current quarrel with the GAE is how A&E became genealogical ancestors to all modern Africans 6,000 years ago in the face of significantly reduced long-range migrations. They would have needed extensive continent-wide interbreeding to achieve the status of genealogical ancestors in Africa but that doesn’t seem to be the case per that 2022 paper I cited in a different thread.

@Herman_Mays

I would say that this idea is …

1. needlessly complex and generates unnecessary discussions say about who were the people outside the garden, were they people in the same sense we are people, etc

Yeah, this is one of the reasons I don’t buy the GAE. However, it has merits which can’t be overlooked.

@Herman_Mays

it’s really rather pointless as it’s not going to satisfy the typical Biblical creationist who is critical of evolution because they are not going to be swayed by any argument where Adam and Eve were not the first and initially lone humans in existence

True.

@Herman_Mays

it only focuses on this narrow bit in Genesis and ignores the fact that the whole broader context in which Adam and Eve are embedded

Another of my quarrels with the GAE.

@Herman_Mays

And since I tend to get a lot of visceral negative feedback when I criticize Josh I’ll note these are Ken Miller’s criticisms

No one has given you visceral feedback, only correction of some misconceptions you had about the GAE. Look up the genetic entropy threads and you will see belligerent feedback.

Its nice to have you here though. Learned a lot from your talk with Dan.