You are asking him to prove a negative.
I am asking him to support his claim which includes that negative.
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His claim involves a Scientists argument. He did to make an absolute claim about advantage. Your strategy is to create straw men and shoot it down. While this may persuade certain people it is not proper philosophical discourse.
If you don’t want to prove a negative, then don’t make claims that entail you must know about them.
Stop saying you know whether there are aliens out there when you don’t know.
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In the same token don’t change someones argument so they then have to prove a negative about an event that cannot be observed.
So his claim is not that IC systems can’t evolve? Are you saying that IC systems can evolve?
Who’s claim? Can you lift this claim as evidence that someone made it?
Do you think IC systems can evolve? Yes/No?
The question is too vague to answer. Define an IC system. Define evolve.
The poster doth protest too much, methinks.
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Let me try to answer my narrowing down definitions. If evolve means RMNS and neutral mutations and the IC system is the bacterial flagellum. I think it is very unlikely given current evidence that these mechanisms account for its origin.
Based on what evidence?
The number of proteins required to make up the structure and the number of possible ways to arrange the DNA required to make this structure.
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What are those numbers, and how did you calculate them?
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They are available in the literature and in discussion with Behe and Minich.
What are those numbers, and how did they calculate them?
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The observed number of observed proteins (30-40) and estimate around an average of 300 AA’s per protein or around 100k nucleotides and given combinatorial calculation methods there are 4^100k possible ways to arrange the DNA.
Since only selective sequences make a flagellar motor I would say that the number of arrangements that make up a flagellar is less than 4^100k.
So how many of those possible ways to arrange the DNA can result in a functioning motility system with the genomes that existed just prior to the emergence of the bacterial flagellum? If you don’t have that number or any way to calculate it, how can you make claims about its likelihood?
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Fair enough.
I do often see mention of Einstein referring to Spinoza’s god.
For myself, I never assumed that he was a theist or a pantheist. But it does seem plausible that Einstein’s references to god were to Spinoza’s god. It’s just that Einstein seemed to be talking that way as a façon de parler, rather than as an expression of belief.
Perhaps you are not familiar with Einstein’s famous thought experiments.
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