Politics megathread

By the way, while the budget does need to be brought into balance, that’s not been something the GOP has been particularly concerned with for the last several decades – EXCEPT when a Democrat is president, whereupon it’s suddenly an emergency of the gravest sort.

If one does want to solve the fiscal problem, the solution isn’t going to lie in regulatory programs and the like. The deficit exceeds the discretionary budget, so if we eliminated essentially everything we’d still be in deficit.

And then there’s the fact that these butcher-jobs on federal agencies are going to cost a LOT of money. Lower tax revenue from IRS cuts will start it off, but ultimately, when we need to find and hire back most of the people we’ve cut and repair the damage to the programs on which they worked, we’re going to spend a lot more money than if we’d just kept them working.

And then, the one that seems a tad ironic and twisted to me. I spent many years of my career basically suing government agencies and officials for various forms of regulatory overreach; so I can’t say that I have any innate prejudice in favor of regulatory agencies, some of which I’ve seen doing the most awful things (though usually at the state, rather than federal, level). But the thing about cutting agencies is that if you don’t cut their program responsibilities at the same time, it doesn’t mean that people aren’t subject to the regulations – it means instead that the regulations are very, very badly administered. Permit applications take forever. Decisions become more arbitrary because nobody’s got the staff time to do it right. People used to ask me about “defunding” the Washington State Department of Ecology. Now, I knew a few people at the WSDOE who behaved like gangsters and whom I was very glad to beat up in litigation; but I could never endorse the idea of using that as a pretext to “defund” anything. Regulatory reform? Sure, if it’s the right kind. Elimination of department responsibility for programs it mis-administered? Maybe, in the right case. But defunding them would only have made my clients’ problems worse.

Trade deficits, of course, are more the consequence of domestic individual behavior than they are of trade conditions. And the classic right-wing stance, with which I happen to agree, is that they don’t need addressing at all: Milton Friedman was a particular proponent of that view.

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and what becomes arbitrary inevitably becomes corrupt.

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Some of the greatest ”crown jewels” in our intelligence are sources and methods. These are how we get some of our critical intel: spys, wiretaps, bugs, subs, satellites, etc. Burning a source is about as bad mistake you can make. You spend years cultivating these, but can loose them in an instant.

Waltz just destroyed big time a critical human source in the Houthis camp:

Waltz (14.00pm ET):

  • Typing too fast. The first target – their top missile guy – we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend’s building and it’s now collapsed.

Now they know that we have one or more sets of eyes and ears in their camp. Arrests, torture and executions to follow.

Thanks to Waltz’s idiocy, one or more of our best sources will soon be in small, bloody pieces.

Now everyone who has ever talked to US intel in the Middle East is shutting up and running for their lives. No one will ever trust us again. Great tradecraft Mike!

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Exactly. Which is why court-marshals are just the beginning of the penalties for such leaks when one is in the military. Isn’t prison the usual fate of such leakers?

Does anyone on PS have experience with this topic?

I saw a clip from Fox News where an administration spokesperson said “Hey. Accidents happen sometimes.”

“Oops.” Is that all they have to say? Aren’t these the same people who chanted “Lock her up?” over an unsecured server?

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The mods have been aware that political discussion would inevitably come up since November. It was just a matter of how much and how soon, and how should we deal with it? We didn’t create such a thread earlier because we didn’t want to actively encourage political discussion. That worked well enough for a little while, but it could not last.

“Peaceful Science’s mission is to advance a civic practice of science…”

Yes, and it’s difficult to reconcile a “civic practice of science” with the current administration’s policies. Those policies are not just “anti-science”; they are actively tearing down the scientific institutions that advance science in the US and elsewhere.

Scientists are pretty pissed-off about that, and justifiably so.
Likewise a lot of non-scientists.

One thing I’ve learned about moderating forums, is that angry people need to vent. If you don’t give them a place to vent, that only makes them angrier. So here we have a place to vent, and it’s about as contained as possible. Strong moderation to simply cut-off all such discussion would have terrible blow-back - I’ve seen it happen and gotten to pick up the pieces afterwards - that is not a good solution.

I get that political discussion can be a turn off. More generally, a bunch of angry people voicing their feelings can be a turn off. I suggest that instead of focusing on that anger, people should consider the underlying reasons WHY they are angry. People don’t have that kind of reaction for no reason at all. In my previous experience, those angry people had been treated badly, and were outraged that such abuse was allowed to continue.

I don’t think the current situation is very different.

WE ALL HAVE A PROBLEM; science is under attack, and this stands to harm everyone, even those on the other side of the politics. The real question in my mind is, can this anger be focused back on a productive response? Anger is painful to deal with, but not dealing with it is worse. Shutting it off, not letting people express themselves, only increases the pain. So let’s be angry, or at least understand that some are justifiably angry, and see if we can’t work past that. Maybe we can work back to that mission value we all appreciate.

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I can’t summon much sympathy for some-one who called an airstrike on an occupied residential building.

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Someone who could merely be an informant might not be responsible for calling in airstrikes, merely relaying the message that they have seen the person of interest at this or that location.

Afaik if ordnance is dropped on some building there has to be some sort of “proportionality assessment” (basically, does achieving this military goal somehow justify killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure? The answer isn’t always no which you see if you just do a few thought experiments, like putting a civilian in your bomber hangar and then launching attacks on your neighbors from it), so in the end the fault might actually lie with JAG lawyers if something illegal or, well, disproportionate occurred.

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This ruined my breakfast:

Beginning with “By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered . . .”

It goes downhill from there.

Yes, among many other face-palm inducing statements, Comrade Trump has declared:

For example, the Smithsonian American Art Museum today features “The Shape of Power: Stories of Race and American Sculpture,” an exhibit representing that “[s]ocieties including the United States have used race to establish and maintain systems of power, privilege, and disenfranchisement.” The exhibit further claims that “sculpture has been a powerful tool in promoting scientific racism” and promotes the view that race is not a biological reality but a social construct, stating “Race is a human invention.”

And then there is:

(iii) take action, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, to ensure that all public monuments, memorials, statues, markers, or similar properties within the Department of the Interior’s jurisdiction do not contain descriptions, depictions, or other content that inappropriately disparage Americans past or living (including persons living in colonial times), and instead focus on the greatness of the achievements and progress of the American people or, with respect to natural features, the beauty, abundance, and grandeur of the American landscape.

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I guess it’s not a coincidence that 1984 is one of the books Republicans want to keep out of schools.

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Yikes. Yes, 1984 is kinda . . . well . . . it pretty much hits the nail on the head, @Paul_King.

Does “banning school libraries and classrooms from carrying books depicting sex acts” thereby ban the Bible? I mean, that surely had to be discussed when the legislature passed that law.


In others of my recurring rants:

As someone who remembers Reagan Republicanism (“Tariffs are for fools” is my paraphrase of a famous Ronald Reagan speech) and the “free markets, free trade” conservatism of Milton Friedman’s Power to Choose series on PBS television back in the 1980’s (and praised by quintessential conservative William F. Buckley), I don’t consider the Trump era and his MAGA minions conservative at all.

I’ve decided that if I really want to provoke anger among the MAGAs I encounter, I’m going to start referring to “CINOs”. When they ask what it means, I will say, “You know, Conservative In Name Only, as in Donald Trump and American Family Radio. Conservatism has always been about maximum freedom, following the Constitutional, honoring and respecting our active-duty military and our veterans, and caring about Truth and Justice—and hating government overreach into our wallets, as with reckless tariffs.”

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Jim Crow never happened, I guess.

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According to Trump, windmills killed such birds.

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I was confused by your not supplying the full quote which made it seem like Trump declared his agreement with the Smithsonian’s statement.

Just for context the full quote is:

Once widely respected as a symbol of American excellence and a global icon of cultural achievement, the Smithsonian Institution has, in recent years, come under the influence of a divisive, race-centered ideology. This shift has promoted narratives that portray American and Western values as inherently harmful and oppressive. For example, the Smithsonian American Art Museum today features “The Shape of Power: Stories of Race and American Sculpture,” an exhibit representing that “[s]ocieties including the United States have used race to establish and maintain systems of power, privilege, and disenfranchisement.” The exhibit further claims that “sculpture has been a powerful tool in promoting scientific racism” and promotes the view that race is not a biological reality but a social construct, stating “Race is a human invention.

That is of course completely self-contradictory. First it claims the Smithsonian is ruled by a “race-centered ideology”, but then quotes the Smithsonian as declaring that “Race is a human invention.” Wouldn’t that be the diametrically opposite of a race-centered ideology? They are completely unapologetically insane and dishonest in the Trump administration.

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Let’s not forget that the convicted felon currently serving as POTUS would almost certainly have also been convicted under the Espionage Act for stealing state secrets if the American voters weren’t such absolute numpties. He now has free access to all those state secrets and can give away or sell them with complete impunity, since anything a President does is now totally legal.

Hey, here’s a fun fact that hasn’t received a lot of attention: There was a sharp increase in the number of US informants being captured and executed during and after the first Trump administration.

CIA admits to losing dozens of informants around the world: NYT

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Two cents for anyone who can guess what they mean by “inapproriate disparagement”

Hint: if it condemns the institution of slavery.

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Jesus H W Christ.

Good luck with the midterms. :joy: :rofl: :zany_face:

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Sorry. I had thought I had completed the post with more content and a link to the White House webpage but somehow my final edit didn’t get saved. Thanks for amending it.

The link was there it’s just you cut the quote a bit short.

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