Both Christians and Muslims believe in the existence of a necessary, simple, Creator Being they both call “God”, even as there are stark disagreements on many other things regarding God, including the inner life of God known as the Trinity.
You regard Jesus as God the Son and the Holy Spirit as God the Spirit, Muslims reject this (and even the Jews). You regard Jesus as the Son of God and that is a requirement to get everlasting life, but Muslims reject this. This makes your God and their’s different. Why is this hard for you to affirm?
That is all what I meant to say. In the context of that specific argument, the necessity of God (if He exists) is what we are talking about.
I get your point, but we can’t have two or more distinct, necessary Gods saying different things.
The truth or falsity of a religion doesn’t necessarily mean that they worship completely different gods.
I can’t believe you said. The Bible clearly indicates in many passages that if you don’t worship the God it provides, then you are worshipping the wrong God, hence, you are in the wrong religion. The Koran makes this claim too, so how do we tell which book is right or which God is true?
(For example, I think several dogmas of Roman Catholicism are wrong; does that mean that you and I worship different gods also?)
I have met some evangelical Christians who answered yes to your question and I think they are right. The Bible mentioned apostasy would rise within Christianity, implying some Christians will have true doctrines and others false teachings. Unfortunately, there is no good way of telling apart apostate from true Christianity.
There’s enough commonality between Christianity and Islam (compared to Christianity and atheism, for example) that an argument against atheism could improve both the odds of Islam being true and the odds of Christianity being true
It works both ways you know. An argument for atheism could worsen the odds of Islam and Christianity being true. In addition, I think you are forgetting the most important similarity between Christianity and atheism with regards to Islam: both sides believe Islam is false, so a non-theistic argument against Islam improves the odds of atheism.
There are also good arguments in favor of the Islamic interpretation of God. Arguments are the best all religions have to offer when it comes to choosing the right one.
My bad. Thanks.
I never claimed Elijah doubted the supremacy of Yahweh. I said he would have never have known if Baal was real or powerful, since he only communed with Yahweh. Thus, to show others and himself that Baal was not real, he called for the duel with the prophets of Baal. This empirical approach would generate evidence to drastically lower the posterior probability of Baal’s existence.
I never claimed he promises anything of the sort. I instead faulted his penchant to refuse answering the petitions of his worshippers at certain crucial points in their life.
But some Christians get into a situation similar to his at different times in their lives. They may be suffering from a painful disease or be living in abject poverty and God does nothing to help them. Since there is nothing stopping God from helping them now and still giving eternal life later on, its vexing that he leaves their prayers unanswered.
True, but he needed to convince others of the power of Yahweh. Baal’s inaction gave them a rationale to murder the prophets of Baal after Elijah gave the order.
But it was an experiment set-up by God through Elijah to convince the Jews of his supremacy. Again I never claimed that Elijah doubted the existence of Yahweh, but he certainly doubted the existence of Baal.
So why didn’t Elijah conclude this about Baal’s existence despite his inaction?
Although I didn’t argue that Yahweh’s inaction means he doesn’t exist, Elijah thought Baal’s inaction was solid evidence for his “complete nonexistence” and had his prophets murdered, why?
I think its relevant, but let’s ignore it.
This sort of argument no longer makes sense to me, because when I read the Bible, God’s thoughts appear to be no different than ours. Could you cite a Bible verse demonstrating (not merely stating) the superiority of God’s thoughts over ours.
I bet moral philosophers would disagree with you. If your ultimate standard of goodness could punish the Jews just because David ordered a census, then you need to rethink your choice of ultimate goodness.
Typing on a mobile is tough Dan, so I may not respond in depth to any future arguments you may make.