I dont think it is hard to understand that constantly chasing discussions where Atheists and Agnostics “frame” the discussion as “no design” vs. “God’s Design”… that ID folks find their discussions far easier to promote amongst the masses… because there is no mass/consumer market interested in removing God.
Every time Christian-endorsed “God-Creates-by-Evolution” takes two steps forward, some agnostic dispute erupts that inevitably drives the discussion back a step by describing evolution as a means of creation without God!!!
But letting agnostics and atheists constantly de-rail the theological stance of the “God Ecosystem” here at Peaceful Science seems a very slow way to proceed.
If an Agnostic supporter of Evolution cant write for Christians, using a Christian perspective, it would be better if they could write as though God wants to be a secret - - than to actively oppose the goals of Peaceful Science by ooposing God’s presence in nature.
I think @gbrooks9’s valid point is that we are more convincing when we can map out a desirable path of retreat for people. Even though atheists do not see need for God, noting how it could be affirmed in light of mainstream science helps people come to terms with science, and bow out gracefully. He sees (correctly) many missed opportunities of reassuring people of this, and pointing them to their way out.
Sure, there are people bruising for a fight. There are perhaps many more that feel like a cornered animal. Better to give them a path of retreat, rather than force fight to the death. @gbrooks9 is right to encourage more sensitivity to this concern.
You’re proposing that we (including atheist and agnostic) should talk to ID proponents as if we believe that evolution is God-guided, or at least started by God?
If that is so, Joshua has talked to them as a Christian who affirms evolution this whole time!
As for atheists, not once did one of them. here at least, even imply that evolution somehow disproves God. As for them talking about evolution like they believe it’s God-guided: why? Why should they throw their non-belief away while talking with ID members, just so they could baby them? They should be courteous while speaking with them, but they don’t have to baby them. That would be insulting!
Or, at least, if I was an ID proponent, I would be insulted.