Here is what RFK has said about vaccines in children:
“My position on vaccines… is that vaccines should be tested, like other medicines.”
“Of the 72 vaccine doses now mandated… for American children, none of them—not one—has ever been subject to a pre-licensing, placebo-controlled trial.”
“Other medicines are required to do that, and we should have to do that for vaccines. If I’m wrong, show me the test. Show me the study. You won’t be able to, because there are none.”
“That means that we don’t know what the long-term risks are.”
According to you, what is unreasonable or unscientific in RFK’s above statements?
Fortunately, there a lot of scientists who know a lot more about vaccines and immune responses than RFK, Jr., who is well know for utter nonsense and conspiracy theories (as well as self-described brain worms and telling stories about tossing dead animals on top of his car and illegally dumping them in Central Park.)
I researched this matter some times ago (so I don’t have my reference sources in hand with citations) when RFK Jr. started spouting his disinformation.
Fortunately, there a lot of scientists who know a lot more about vaccines and immune responses than a RFK, Jr., who is well know for utter nonsense and conspiracy theories (as well as self-described brain worms and tossing dead animals on top of his car and illegally dumping them in Central Park.)
The truth is that MOST vaccine clinical trials involve placebos—and when they don’t, there are very good reasons. In some cases, instead of a placebo, researchers make much better use of taxpayer funds by comparing the new vaccine to an existing vaccine that is already known to be effective (and was ALREADY tested against a placebo; consider the transitive property in logic.) No placebo is also the decision when it is determined that it would be unethical and unfair (and even downright evil) to withhold a proven treatment from the control group by unknowingly forcing a placebo on them without their knowledge.
Moreover, the effects of placebos on immunity versus a vaccine have been studied many times over the years and testing additionally would (from what I understand from my reading) just not be all that beneficial considering the costs. After all, those taxpayers funds can often be better spent on EXPANDING the trials themselves with more in-depth study of population responses to the vaccine.
Meanwhile, RFK Jr. continues to promote disproven COVID-19 cures. Accordingly, I consider him a great danger to public health—and even more so if he gets a government position with an agency like the CDC. If someone as wildly unqualified for such a position of responsibility is put in charge, I fear it will be just one of many ridiculous and dangerous appointments to federal positions in the coming months. (And for the record, I’ve been a Republican all my life—although I doubt if I will ever describe myself that way ever again.)
The first statement seems to imply that vaccines generally aren’t tested. Why else would one state that he thinks they should be tested, “like other medicines”, if he does not think they aren’t? The statement is fatuous on it’s face. Extremely misleading. They are. They are tested. The statement implies a lie. While it doesn’t explicitly say “vaccines aren’t tested”, the assertion that he thinks they should be tested like other medicines clearly implies that he thinks they aren’t. Thus it implies a falsehood. It gives the false impression that vaccines aren’t tested. It is therefore a lie.
The rest of course either suffer from the same problem, or contains the lie explicitly. The third statement claims there are no studies that assess vaccine safety. I assume that applies for all of the supposed “72 vaccine doses now mandated… for American children”.
This shows that the man is a lunatic that lives in an alternate reality.
The references include papers published on multiple clinical trials. Here’s one:
Note the very first sentence in the abstract.
I don’t have time to go through all 72 right now (and note that they are 72 doses, not 72 separate vaccines). But it only took me a couple of minutes to do this for the first vaccine I chose; the interested reader should be able to do the same for any other vaccine of interest. All ACIP recommendations are published in MMWR and the CDC helpfully aggregates them here:
I’d expect the FDA also has publications that could be referenced; I’m just more familiar with the public health side of vaccines.
And to make matters worse, this topic makes me even more depressed than I already was. (But I’m glad it was brought up. This is as good a place as any to shoot down RFK Jr’s nonsense.)
I’m tempted to make myself a chloroquine cocktail with a fenbendazole chaser and end it all. (And I don’t even drink.)
By the way, I just searched for the word “vaccine” in the other topic. NOT ONCE did anyone bring up RFK Jr’s views on vaccines. The only reason Gil is bringing this up is because he KNOWS that RFK’s views on the actual topic of the other thread — fluoride in water — are indefensible, so he’s making up a different argument to get mad at.
Not that RFK’s views on vaccines are any more defensible, but Gil apparently thinks they are, which says a lot.
Speaking of questionable people in governmental positions, I double checked and both the federal government and all 50 states prohibit gun ownership by convicted felons. Does that also mean prohibited access to the “football” and nuclear weapons codes? I mean, there’s firearms . . . and then there are “firearms.” Big ones.
Heh. Well maybe we can move on to some of his other lunacy here. Sunshine. RFK Jr. apparently thinks the CDC has banned sunshine because Pharma can’t patent it.
I have no idea what he’s talking about, but taking a wild stab in the dark here, I could see how they could recommend one gets direct sun exposure only in moderation, possibly to wear some sunscreen, and/or take care not to get sunburns and so on which might lead to skin cancer.
Anyone know what he’s actually talking about? Has the CDC Banned sunshine in the US? Do they recommend people get zero exposure to any and all forms of sunlight? I’m willing to bet my actual life that they don’t. So, what the fork is he talking about?
Going back to The White Worm’s statement on all this, I note that he says the FDA is aggressively suppressing, among other things, Ivermectin and exercise.
Ivermectin: I can buy it over the counter at my local pharmacy, in, among other things, head-lice shampoo; it’s FDA approved. The FDA is not suppressing it in any sense. This is distinct, however, from the question whether the FDA has approved it (or, indeed, whether anyone has attempted to obtain an approval) for treatment of COVID-19.
And, exercise? Does the FDA have anything to do with that? No, of course not. Exercises do not need FDA approval and the FDA has no jurisdiction to ban them. I suspect he just thinks that approving drugs is bad, because it encourages people to take pharmaceutical substances instead of exercising. But, you know, there are a heck of a lot of medical conditions that do respond to medication and do not respond to exercise.
I wonder how good a source RFK Jr., or his worm, may be on the question whether RFK Jr. is lying. If the HSS, whatever that may be, has so admitted, it should be easy for you to produce the primary source.
