Strident Atheist Atheists

Speaking for myself, that sounds like a boooooring sorta place. But then again, I might be ‘The Wrong Sort of Atheist’. :wink:

And even if we did get rid of all those pesky religions, you know that those darn humans would just invent a few new ones. :stuck_out_tongue:

I am telling you, as an atheist, that atheism is a lack of belief in gods. I tend to think I am an expert on what my own worldview is. If you think I am wrong, please tell me what my worldview really is.

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I was an athiest too… I didn’t believe God existed. And so I felt no compulsion to search for Him.
A point came in my life when I was convinced there is a creator. At this point I was not an athiest. But I also didn’t believe in any religion or any God of any religion…
A couple of years after this, I had an encounter with christ.
By your definition, I am an athiest even when I started believing God exists.

OK everybody, this was supposed to be a JOKE. No serious discussions allowed! :slight_smile:

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If you believe God exists then you aren’t an atheist, by definition. I guess I don’t understand what you are getting at.

I think part of @Ashwin_s’ problem is that, unlike Christianity, unless somebody is trying to inflict their views on us (e.g. by trying to make them law, or by proselytising), most Atheists really don’t care that much about what other people believe.

Yes, if you raise the topic, we’ll argue with you about it – just like we will about politics, our favorite sports team, etc. But it’s really no skin off our nose if you believe something different – there is no Atheist version of ‘The Great Commission’ after all.

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If an athiest is someone who doesnt believe in any gods (I assume you means Gods identified by religion);

I would assume an athiest does not believe there is a being that created the universe and everything else.

Ever heard of communists?
They are atheists too…
It’s kinda weird how atheists dont look at the history of athiesm and just identify it with western humanist kinda atheists…

That’s correct.

You can lack a belief, and then later acquire a belief. One can be an atheist and then become a theist. In the same way, I can change citizenship to a different country, change my mind on who my favorite singer is, and so on. I don’t see what changing your mind has to do with anything.

There is nothing about the communist economic model that requires atheism. You seem to be talking more about Marxism.

A lot of atheists are drawn towards secular humanism which includes support for religious freedoms.

But atheism is not a belief in anything, it is a disbelief, in deities. And unless somebody is making a big song and dance about believing something, it is rather hard to disbelieve “strongly” in it. Nobody has, as far as I can remember, ever tried to make me believe in unicorns, so I would consider my disbelief in them to be very very passive.

Likewise, unless somebody is actively arguing at me for a deity’s existence, my disbelief in them is likewise rather passive.

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There must be some difference between atheists and agnostics…
Agnostics also “lack” a belief.

I think it’s more than just lacking a belief.

Not all of them. There have been Christian communists, and there are a rather large number of Christian socialists. The author of the original Pledge of Allegiance was one of the latter.

Not in china… (or any other nation when it had a communist government). Communist governments have usually killed people for their faith.

As to socialism, it’s different from communism.
Do you know the difference?

“Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable.”

" Atheism is in the broadest sense an absence of belief in the existence of deities."

— both definitions from Wikipedia.

You can also get:

Agnostic atheism is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity, and are agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.”

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There are Agnostic Christians who believe in God.

Agnosticism is about what you can know. Atheism is about what you believe. Agnostics can claim ignorance of what God is like, but still believe God exists.

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That definition makes agnostics also athiests…

Because agnostics also lack belief.

Some agnostics believe in God.

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Are you sure? you were defining it as “lack of belief”…

Isn’t lack of belief… disbelief…
I think you are looking for a middle ground between belief and disbelief that does not exist.

  1. I would argue that China is practicing a form of Totalitarian Capitalism, not Communism. Plus, even if China was genuinely communist, it does not prove that communism and Christianity are inherently mutually incompatible.

  2. I am aware, and am also aware that communism and socialism are two fairly closely related systems. The communist USSR wasn’t the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics for no reason.

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