T.J_Runyons Evolution Rubrick

Which is why I always insist on what people mean by common descent before any discussion.
It may seem like nitpicking… But it is nitpicking that is necessary.
@T.j_Runyon - sorry if I am being unnecessarily long winded.

No apology necessary. Im sorry for coming off rude. Just been a long day @Ashwin_s

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@Ashwin_s has no motivation to do so. The worst day of his life was finding out that BioLogos was spending more time endorsing God-led speciation.

Bringing up Bruno in a place like this - after a century of the debunking of the “perscuted scientist” myth, is not going to fly.

I did a brief piece on him when Neil de Grasse recycled the fairy-tale on Cosmos II back in 2014.


Are you sure Bio-Logos is endorsing “God led speciation”? What exactly is God led speciation?

@Ashwin_s ,

I believe it is just ONE of the ideas they endorse in the BioLogis big tent.

God-led Speciation is God picking the mutations of subsequent generations… exposed to God-configured favors of Natural Selection so that eventually a new species is created.

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Richard Dawkin’s not terribly good at being an ambassador of science. He promotes atheism, not science. Does not everyone know this?

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Should they? Scientists are not as quick in denouncing his errors as for YEC guys… just look at the public abuse ID guys face…

If you knew the history here, you would understand why.

Well history does go back to people like Huxley…

ID does not go back to Huxely. It goes back to about 1991.

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I was talking about the link to atheism and evolution. TH Huxley…
I know ID is a recent phenomenon.

We were discussing why the ID guys receive so much abuse. It has nothing to do with Huxley and Dawkins, but everything to do with recent history.

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Oh okay, sorry I missed that… why do they get abused so much… (other than the obvious lack of decency among the abusers).

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… and they face it deservedly… as demonstrated by the lawsuit where ID was sought to be included in the local school district… and ALL of the supporters for that idea were Evangelicals… not Sci-Fi fans!

In my view, any abuse tells me more about the abuser than the abused.
I have no hesitation in condemning scientists who engage in public abuse of anyone.
I have lost respect and trust for a lot of scientists because of this issue.

@Ashwin_s, yes. Obviously.

But America’s religious diversity makes it NECESSARY to keep THEOLOGICAL Stances out of the public schools!

Thats OK.
But does it make it necessary for scientists to be rude and abusive?


When a non-Scientist trashes scientists as participating in a great and godless conspiracy… it is very difficult to maintain civility.

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Place don’t make excuses for such behaviour.

I see them as adults responsible for their actions.