Let’s try to fix things. I agree that my question was misleading and that the Covid mRNA vaccines are currently not supposed to reduce risk of infection anymore. But do you agree that they were initially supposed to reduce risk of symptomatic infection ?
Charles Peguy, a French intellectual, poet and writer, famously said “Everything begins in mysticism and ends in politics.” I think the MAHA mouvement started and is still mostly at the stage of mysticism but I have nearly no doubt that if successful, it will inexorably devolve into politics.
That’s not you fixing things, that’s you trying to weasel out of your mistake and making more mistakes in the process.
Ahh but you see, Gilberts favored politicians are the honest ones, and all others are not.
So the Queensland government is nefariously trying to hide inconvenient results, whereas RFK Jr is acting out of brave concern for americans.
They did. Initially, people not previously vaccinated (or infected) strongly benefited from it, and it did offer protection against infection and illness symptoms for a time.
The value of recurring boosters might raise legitimate questions (particularly if recipients were boosted against outdated variants), but there was a massive difference for people who never before had been exposed to the relevant antigens. It saved millions of lives.
Given the exceptional scientific and medical value of the QoVax study, data and bio samples, why on earth would you decide not only to quarantine the data from future use and analysis but also to destroy irreplaceable bio samples ? As a scientist who values science, doesn’t this shock you?
No Gulliblebert!
We have, as yet, NO EVIDENCE that QoVAX is of " exceptional scientific and medical value". All we have is the word of one Rebekah Barnett, a random Covid loon, with no relevant qualifications, who works for the Covid loony-bin, of another inexpert Covid loon, and Philip McMillan, a random Youtube Covid loon.
It’s just loons all the way down.
This is why your blather got dumped onto this thread in the first place @Giltil.
It’s nothing but credibility-free bullshit (like so much else that you post).
I’d suggest that you learn the difference between a credible source and a random loon – but given your addiction to that bunch of loony charlatans and cranks at the 'Disco 'Tute, I think it is highly unlikely this will never happen.
Just like, given your prefered loony sources, you are highly unlikely to persuade anybody of anything on this forum.
I personally experienced that amazing capability of the COVID-19 vaccine. By the time I finally got infected by the SARS-COV-2, I had had my first two vaccine shots months earlier. I woke up feeling unwell one morning, applied my test kit, and verified that I was infected. Because I felt so tired and somewhat flu-like headache, I went to bed at 10am and woke up around 4pm. To my relief, during those six hours my body’s machinery apparently went to work rapidly, already knowing how to make the appropriate antibodies. I was able to resume my normal routine. I had just a slight reduction in energy levels for the next 48 hours. That was it.
So many vaccinated friends reported the same experience.
Of course, RFK Jr. disagrees and has cut half a billion in mRNA vaccine research funding.
Yes, I’ve had Covid twice myself (post shot and boosters). Neither time was particularly pleasant – about the same severity as a moderately bad case of flu, plus some lingering short-term memory problems. But neither was sufficiently bad that (with a well-stocked freezer), I was unable to take care of myself.
In particular, severely symptomatic infection. Including the rather severe symptom called “death.”
Do you agree that available evidence demonstrates it was successful in this regard?
I agree, those are good questions that deserve answers. I am not familiar enough with the situation to know whether such answers have been provided.
I find it at least as unfathomable that the US government would halt research on all mRNA vaccines, including ones that could potentially prevent cancer. Even if it were the case the the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine was not sufficiently safe or effective (which is not the case) that decision makes no sense, Does Making America Healthy Again include Lots of Americans Dying of Cancer?
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Apparently it does.
According to you, are the following people credible sources? Professor Janet Davies; Professor Kerryn Phelps; Emeritus Professor of Medicine Wendy Hoy
But this piece is NOT by “Professor Janet Davies; Professor Kerryn Phelps; Emeritus Professor of Medicine Wendy Hoy”, is it @Giltil. It’s by the same credibility-free loon, Rebekah Barnett.
The quote from Davies is four or so years old, back from “the outset” of the project.
Phelps appears to have been working as as a politician, rather than a doctor, for the last several years, so it is unclear if she has any currently-relevant experience.
Hoy “specialises in cross-disciplinary research in indigenous health services, as well as kidney and related chronic diseases” – so her expertise isn’t particularly relevant.
All three are more credible than Barnett is., but their opinions hardly constitutes evidence that QoVAX is of " exceptional scientific and medical value".
And it still leaves unanswered two major questions:
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If this of genuinely “exceptional scientific and medical value”, why isn’t it actual Covid experts making a ruckus?
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Why did two different state governments, of two different (and ideologically opposing) parties, decide to respectively first defund, and then destroy this project?
Here is what Professor Davies said about the decision hold in march 2025 to destroy the bio samples.
Professor Davies called the decision, on which she was not consulted, “incredibly disappointing.”
“It’s a terrible example of research wastage and loss of a globally significant opportunity to realise benefits and generate knowledge through research based on the unique samples provided by the 10,000 Queenslanders who gave consent and participated”
Very good.
Now, see if you can find any respected researchers who object to RFK Jr’s actions as Health Secretary. I’ m sure you can if you look hard enough.
I don’t doubt that many respected researchers do object to RFK jr’s decision. Conversely, I don’t doubt that many respected researchers approve it. But I am pretty sure no respected researcher approve the decision to destroy the bio samples of the QoVax study.
I do. Well, unless you include people who are respected by ignorant dumbbells.
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Yes, I missed that, for which I apologise. But my wider point remains. If this is of of genuinely “exceptional scientific and medical value”, why is it only a single Covid loon making a ruckus over it (over and over again), and why is the only on-point quote supporting this contention from its former project lead?
Also, if this of such “exceptional scientific and medical value” why has it produced little, if anything, in the way of of high impact research – apparently only the MDPI article I linked to above, and another unpublished article?
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Nope. Vaccines can and often do prevent infection, but many don’t. You would know this if you spent any time educating yourself instead of stuffing yourself with bullshit.
In the case of the COVID vaccines, I believe that the vaccine and boosters provide infection protection for up to 3 months, then reduce severe disease risk for months beyond that. This information is available to anyone who can read.
You apparently can’t understand that tossing lies into the faces of other people, especially people who know more than you do, is one of the most disrespectful things a person can do to another person. Somehow you have lost the ability to respect others. Maybe you were born this way, maybe you were raised this way, or maybe your human decency was eroded by your infection with a virus more dangerous than all the coronaviruses combined. A virus of the mind.
For my part, I am summoning the self-respect to stop conversing with you.
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How do you know?
Rather than this pathetic appeal to quotes, please provide us what the reasons to think these samples are “globally significant”, are supposed to be. Not “MD Professor Dr. Schmidt, PhD says so”.
Does no other country hold similar sample collections, have similar research not already been done on those? What’s so special about these?
There are thousands of reasons why already collected samples might be discarded, and millions are discarded every day all over the worlds hospitals and resarch institutes. Ranging from lack of freezer space, different budget allocation, through you’re unlikely to learn something new from these, to political, legal, and so on.
The idea that the only rational explanation we have for the destruction of this collection is that politicians (from opposing political parties) are afraid of what the data will reveal even before the research has been conducted, is a complete fiction. Do you have any actual evidence that this is the case?
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