Krauze:
And therefore, it’s unrealistic to demand that intelligent design make predictions that conventional evolutionary biology can’t explain, when conventional evolutionary biology can explain mutually incompatible observations, depending on which auxiliary hypotheses you pair it with.
Common ancestry seems to explain why all life shares a common genetic code, and it does it quite well. It’s the very same explanation for why you and your close relatives share the same genetic code.
Krauze:
Yet we’re also lead to expect frozen accidents, with inferior solutions being locked in. As Stephen J. Gould wrote in “The Panda’s Thumb”: “Odd arrangements and funny solutions are the proof of evolution - paths that a sensible God would never tread but that a natural process, constrained by history, follows perforce.”
Can you explain why you think evolution can not optimize systems?
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scd
April 2, 2019, 1:44pm
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T_aquaticus:
Based on what?
base on the fact that every code we know of is the result of design.
Where is the evidence that the genetic code is the result of design?
scd
April 4, 2019, 2:35pm
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in its outcome. since the result of that code is something that look design (in level of a watch)- we can conclude that the code is the result of design too.
That’s not how science works. Conclusions are not based on subjective opinions.
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scd:
can you tell me why you conclude design?
It’s a watch. I know that people make watches.
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scd
April 4, 2019, 4:39pm
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great. the same is true for genomes- we know that people make genomes.
scd:
its actually an objective claim.
Um, no it isn’t.
“since the result of that code is something that look design (in level of a watch)- we can conclude that the code is the result of design too.”
“It looks designed” is a subjective opinion.
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scd:
so if i say that this object look designed its a subjective claim?
Yes. You are making a subjective judgment that something looks designed.
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Rumraket
(Mikkel R.)
April 4, 2019, 5:02pm
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We don’t know that any person made any genome of any organism found in the wild. We know that they didn’t.
On the contrary, we know these genomes evolved.
Mercer
(John Mercer)
April 4, 2019, 5:05pm
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scd:
so if i say that this object look designed its a subjective claim?
If you are an Israeli, why are you linking to Amazon España?
Only recently, and only by copying prior genomes. All this wordplay is fun, but do you have a real point? I don’t think so.
scd
April 5, 2019, 11:21am
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so a watch doesnt look designed?. ok. lets agree to disagree.
scd
April 5, 2019, 11:25am
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no. you actually assume that. you dont know that.
scd
April 5, 2019, 11:28am
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yes. we need to conclude design about nature on the same base that we conclude design when we see a watch.
Ah, so you’re channeling Paley. Clearly, you’re one of the finest minds of the 18th Century.
A watch does not reproduce and shows evidence of human manufacture. Organisms reproduce and do not show signs of human manufacture. Therefore, we can not conclude that life is designed.
Rumraket
(Mikkel R.)
April 5, 2019, 3:43pm
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We’ve been through this exact same argument before multiple times.
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