The Gospels and Eyewitness Testimony

I was unable to find your quote in the most likely place, the introductory chapter, but I may have missed it, or it may be from the newer edition. But it’s important to realize that the context of Bauckham’s “Mission Statement” is “The Quest for the Historical Jesus,” which is a small and highly specialized field, with its own traditions and methodologies, and that is the “recent scholarship” that he is critiquing, not the whole of New Testament studies. Indeed, it organised itself as an authoritative body (“The Jesus Seminar”), complete with a deliberate consensus-forming voting system, communicate a particular position to the public.

In particular, Bauckham examines the assumptions of the “form criticism” which, although it is largely abandoned, have continued to influence this particular genus of historian:

Although the methods of form criticism are no longer at the center of the way that most scholars approach the issue of the historical Jesus, it has bequeathed one enormously influential legacy. This is the assumption [my italics] that the tradition about Jesus, his acts and his words, passed through a long period of oral tradition in the early Christian communities and reached the writers of the Gospels only at a late stage of this process.

This is despite the consensus that developed after form criticism that the gospels were completed within living memory of the events (60-100 CE). Richard quotes the scholar most responsible for introducing German form criticism into English scholarship to show the problem with this:

If the Form-Critics are right, the disciples must have been translated to heaven immediately after the Resurrection.

In other words, if the gospels don’t embody eye-witness, why not? He further explains the methodological bias that this has given to the rather small “historical Jesus” community:

It is essential to realize that this is not just treating the Gospels as historical evidence. It is the application of a methodological skepticism that must test every aspect of the evidence so that what the historian establishes is not believable because the Gospels tell us it is, but because the historian has independently verified it. The result of such work is inevitably not one historical Jesus, but many.

As Kuhn demonstrated so well for science, any field of study develops its own traditions and biases that are not easily shaken (think of the adaptationist wars). So one can’t enlist a “consensus” to one’s cause without careful consideration of the human reasons, from what is taught in the introductory textbooks to “groupthink,” for the existence of that consensus.

One such mechanism, all too evident nowadays, is who gets to say what is the consensus, and be quoted in secondary sources like Wikipedia. In this case the “consensus,” in fact, does not mean agreement on the goal of the discipline (“Who was the historical Jesus”) but merely the methodological assumptions, which are not evidence.

Finally (in addressing that question of what “most scholars” think), I have a relative who is a modern Russian historian, who in her career during the cold-war was an outlier in her field for being skeptical of the Soviet system. The reason she was in a minority? Most colleagues only entered the field because they admired communism. Now, after the collapse of the Soviet System, she is mainstream, which is why her book on Lenin is still in print, and theirs aren’t. The prevalent assumptions of her discipline were, it turned out, ideological rather than evidential.

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You could read the gospels.

‘Mark’ doesn’t mention the resurrection.[1]

‘Luke’ (1:2) differentiates his own group from “those who were eyewitnesses”, implying he was not one.

‘John’ (21:24) says he’s retelling a story written down and testified to by some-one else, so he’s not an eyewitness.

‘Matthew’ is less obvious, but since
(i) he reuses a lot of ‘Mark’ (and maybe ‘Luke’),
(ii) he writes about events he couldn’t have witnessed, and
(ii) he doesn’t say or even imply that he was an eyewitness
he probably wasn’t one.

But even if Matthew’s status is indeterminate, it’s clear that the other three are not eyewitness resurrection accounts.

[1] Early versions, anyway. Later versions have additions that do.

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This is very interesting and enlightening. I would like everybody on the forum to pay particular attention to the exchange about to take place between me and @T.j_Runyon. Are you ready? Here goes.

Let’s start at the beginning. #1

@T.j_Runyon, please quote me in this thread where I ever claimed that the Mark fragment was first century.

And when you are unable to do that, let’s proceed to #2

Please tell me exactly where I was “wrong” so I can, as you say, “man up”.

Where did I say you did? I said you claimed no Christian scholars accepted that it was no longer considered first century.

So you were clearly denying my claim. You asked for evidence of it. I provided it. Now you are trying to weasel out of it. I will not respond back.

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Here is where I restated my argument that you are now twisting to avoid embarrassment

Where am I denying your claim? I admitted there were two claims, as every argument has. Two sides.

Again, please quote me where I claimed the Mark fragment was first century, or drop your protest.

I suspect that response is because you cannot back up your accusation against me.

Lol you mean the accusation I never made? Piss off.

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And by this response, you clearly have lost the argument entirely.

You can tell yourself that all you want. Idc. Everyone with two eyes knows that it isn’t the case. You have a good one.

Two eyes indeed, but as Jesus said, many times those eyes are blind.

Exactly. As you say, my interpretation was based on the English translation and I was upfront about that.

I also said I was quite interested in hearing from anyone who could cite scholarship showing that this was based on a mistranslation of the original Hebrew. If you can find where anyone in that discussion provided such information, I’d be glad to see it, because I recall no one ever providing it.

Sorry, that was my oversight. I meant to provide a link to the website where I found the quote. According to that, it is on p.240:

Majority of Scholars agree: The Gospels were not written by Eyewitnesses – Escaping Christian Fundamentalism

Sure, OK. However, as I have said repeatedly, I am only stating what the existing consensus is to my understanding. If that consensus is wrong and will someday be overturned, fine. But nothing you have said indicates that has happened yet, or that it inevitably will.

@T.j_Runyon already ‘won’ the ‘argument’ by default when you didn’t follow up on this:

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OK, found the quote. Thanks. The context is Bauckham’s original thesis that various indicators in the text do, indeed, indicate specific eyewitness testimony.

He contrasts that with the prevalent view of a period of oral transmission before commitment to writing, but he stresses that “scholars differ widely as to how conservative or creative the tradition was.”

He specifically denies that the view he cites from the majority necessarily leads to historical skepticism about the reliability of the gospel accounts, as scholars range from saying the early communities carefully preserved the original eyewitness testimony “broadly with faithfulness to the form in which they received them” to those who conclude that the Gospels “tell us much more about those communities than about Jesus.”

You could say, then, that the “consensus” ranges from those who say that eyewitness testimony was preserved faithfully for however long (which the consensus also says is 30-70 years), to those who say it wasn’t.

Now, it certainly makes a difference to chain-of-evidence if I tell you my mother’s anecdote about her Auntie Emma in 1920, as opposed to sending you a letter in which Auntie Emma describes it, but there might still be good reason to believe me, even a century on. But if you knew me, or my mother, to be prone to prefer dramatic impact to truth, you might disbelieve me totally.

What has changed recently (as in Bauckham) are several related aspects:
(1) Newer, better research on the accurate nature of oral transmission in real non-literary communities, as opposed to the earlier European academic assumption that “Chinese Whispers” is the rule.
(2) Better knowledge of the genre of the gospels, which suggests they conform to historiographical habits of the period. At that time, if you were not an eye-witness yourself, then talking to a witness, or at worst someone reliable who had interviewed a witness, was the standard. They would have accepted my second-hand testimony about Auntie Emma, probably better than a written source. But third-hand was a no-no.
(3) More penetration for the long-known truth that the “silent interval” before the written gospels is actually too short for the transformations assumed by the old scholars, when they believed the gospels dated a couple of centuries later. 30 years ago you could have checked my story with my mother: 70 years ago, with Aunt Emma herself.

To that one might add the gradual rehabilitation of the external traditions about the origins of the Gospels. Liberal scholarship discounted these on principle, but largely because they ran counter to the late dating of the gospels. With the consensus on earlier dating, the external traditions are very plausible: for example, the tradition that Mark preserves Peter’s habitual teaching fits well with the usual dating of 60-65 or even before.

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Thanks for that explanation of why Bauckham rejects “almost all recent scholarship” on this issue. I guess we’ll have to wait and see how persuasive his opinion is in swaying that consensus.

I wonder who the eyewitness was at this conversation:

Therefore Pilate entered the Praetorium again, and summoned Jesus and said to Him, “You are the King of the Jews?” 34 Jesus answered, “Are you saying this [e]on your own, or did others tell you about Me?” 35 Pilate answered, “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests handed You over to me; what have You done?” 36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not [f]of this realm.” 37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this purpose I have been born, and for this I have come into the world: to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to My voice.” 38 Pilate *said to Him, “What is truth?”

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Who was the eyewitness at this event:

41He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." 43An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.

45When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow. 46"Why are you sleeping?" he asked them. “Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.”

The disciples slept right through it!

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This is important to bring up again:

https://criticalrealismandthenewtestament.blogspot.com/2014/09/consensus-and-quackery.html

In NT studies there are few things that have an absolute consensus. There are different levels of consensus, and even a minority view can be considered respectable to hold. I think it’s pretty different compared to scientific fields.

Yes, I am aware of that.

It doesn’t actually help the case of those who want to argue that the NT is a reliable document of historical events. Quite the opposite.

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Are you suggesting that Richard Bauckham is considered a “quack” within his field?