Take notice of
*how long and skinny this depiction of Jesus is. This, and
*the fact that both thumbs are not shown just like on the shroud plus
*the fact that the arrangement of the hands, and the
oh wow, what is this? Long hair, just like on the shroud of Turin.
Maybe that’s not a medieval stereotype at all. I mean it is, but maybe that’s just how long jews have always worn their hair, and since loong before Christ as well.
“Our concept of what Paul meant by `long hair’ is usually affected by our own views of what constitutes long hair. While Paul was speaking of effeminate men who wore their hair in styles peculiar to women, Paul himself would probably have worn shoulder-length hair in keeping with the hairstyle of the other orthodox Jews of his day. 1 As a matter of fact, the traditional style for an orthodox Jewish man of two thousand years ago is much the same for him today: a ponytail of hair and sidelocks-precisely what we see on the Shroud.” (Stevenson & Habermas, 1990, pp.149-151)."
Take notice that there is a wisp of hair on the chin and no mustache, which is different from the full beard on the shroud. Also notice the lack of thorns on the head. We also don’t see the wounds that shroud supporters clamor about. There are lots of differences as well, and I don’t see any reason to believe that the image is supposed to represent the Shroud of Turin.
Did you really intend to use a mediaeval illustration of Jesus as evidence that another similar mediaeval illustration was not a mediaeval stereotype???
It is the image part that is darkened, and not the other way around. The image itself is very superficial: it is only (sic!) on the topmost microfibers, that we see the discoloration. The image is so thin, that it could be removed by running a razor on top of the shroud allegedly. It could be a bit more complicated in practice, but you get my point I hope. By pulling apart the topmost microfibrils (a single Fiber is made up of about 100 microfibrils) we can see that there is no discoloration beneath them. For the shadowshroud theory to hold water it needs to show how that is possible. Under the shadowshroud theory the whole diameter of a darker fiber should be the same colour. The discolouration should be throughout the fiber, and not just on the surface of it.
The traces of limestone (classified as a form of travertine aragonite, a rare limestone identical to that found in Jerusalem) was not detected anywhere on the Shroud but at the level of the nose, knee and heel, that is to say at the places on the body where it was logical to find them in view of Jesus’ repeated falls during his Way of the Cross. Given that the traces of aragonite were only detected by reflectance spectrometry by the STURP scientists, the super forger hypothesis would require to believe that he purposefully placed the traces of aragonite at the right places so that they could be detected by a totally unknown technology in his time that would be developed hundreds of years later! Doesn’t seem very reasonable to me!
They don’t seem to go into much detail. Those references seem to be just repeats of their claims. For example, they report finding limestone in certain areas, but they don’t report what their results were for the distribution of this limestone material across the entire shroud. They also don’t show any calibration or testing to show how well they are able to pinpoint the source of the limestone.
The fact that the man doesn’t have any facial hair, holes in his hands or side, or marks from a crown of thorns, and therefore doesn’t look like the image on the Shroud of Turin.
The fact that there’s no actual representation of a shroud with an image matching the Shroud of Turin.
Noted.
No, we know this isn’t true. The quotation from Stevenson and Habermas is pure apologetics. Even the tradition of wearing sidelocks post-dates the first century significantly. We have images from Jewish synagogues during the Roman era, and they consistently show Jewish men (including depictions of Bible characters), with short hair and a well kept beard.
On this image from 245 A.D. The sitting ruler has long hair and a light beard… actually the face is really… Jesus-like, as if somebody had copied it from the shroud.
Way to much time and effort have been spent on this, and it is definitely chronically preoccupying some!