It is one of the arguments. I know you think no one made such an argument, but I notice you didn’t answer my questions.
If you had been reading my posts you would have noticed that I never said the image I presented contained a ponytail, and you would also know that I don’t believe the image on the shroud has a ponytail either. The claim that the image on the shroud has a ponytail, and the claim that Jewish men wore their hair in a ponytail, is not mine.
It may an argument somewhere, but it is not in the video you claimed it was. Are you denying you wrote this @ 126?
Also it doesn’t matter whether you think there is a ponytail in the Shroud or not. You claim the image is a forgery based on a medieval Jewish stereotype. Do have any examples of medieval Jewish men wearing their hair in pony tails.
The Pompeii casts were the first that came to mind.
I believe it is in the video, and I have explained why. I also pointed out that you posted the video and then cited it, making this same argument.
Of course it does, because it means I am not the one making the claim about the shroud showing a man with a ponytail. I don’t believe it shows a ponytail at all.
The ponytail claim is made even more difficult to sustain when we consider that it requires only some of the man’s hair to be in a ponytail, and the rest to be cut shorter than the ponytail. That’s a particularly weird cut (like a mullet!), and to date no evidence has been provided by any sindonologist that this was a style worn by any Jewish male of the first century or anywhere near the first century.
Yes, because it looks like a medieval Jewish stereotype, complete with no ponytail.
Nowhere in the video did anyone say:
“3. It is therefore highly unlikely that he would have lied about owning the original shroud of Christ.”
This is you inserting your own assumption about the speakers intention when he speaks about de Charny which you did not clarify at 126 and is misleading because it gives the impression the speaker said this when he did not.
I have long hair and when my hair is pulled or twisted back hair falls to the side of my face, no mullet required.
As I pointed out repeatedly, I am saying this is an argument they made, not something they literally said. They made the argument implicitly, yet it was so clear that immediately after posting the video you made the same argument, even more directly, using the words of the video.
Geoffrey de Charny was considered by many of his time to be a knight of knights, a man of the utmost character. He literally wrote the textbook on chivalry. Accusing him of lying and especially forgery is just not very plausible.
If that wasn’t what you meant, what did you mean?
So what? I note you’re still l avoiding the points I raised.
I did not say the above quoted paragraph, you have me confused with someone else.
They in the video made no such argument, again this is you inserting your own assumption of their intention which you did not clarify in your comments at 126.
Also if you believe the hairstyle in Shroud is a mullet i.e long on back, shorter on sides, do you have any examples of this medieval Jewish stereotype.
In your opinion. I note you still haven’t’ answered my questions.
No I do not believe that. I have told you repeatedly that I don’t believe there is any ponytail in the image on the shroud. As I have said, the image on the shroud matches a typical medieval Jewish stereotype.
To my knowledge the shroud of turin was never inside a ct-scanner.
If you do not believe there is long hair pulled back on the back side of image on Shroud, what do you think is the long image coming from head down back which looks like a ponytail?
A smear of pigment. Why would it be a ponytail?
Do you believe there is blood on the Shroud?
No I don’t believe there’s blood on the shroud. I have said this before.
It’s amazing to see how the Shroud of Turin seems to have inspired it’s own branch of religious apologetics. Not to mention how it also seems to have become the bedrock upon which some people rest the authenticity of their religious faith.
The AMAZING PROPERTIES OF THE SHROUD are worshipped with an awe and reverence approaching that normally reserved for the man it purports to depict.
It’s become it’s own little subreligion and has inspired the use of terms and phrases seen in New-Age crystal-healing, Ancient-Aliens, and Quantum-woo religions. “The most scientifically studied object in history”. “Displays quantum holographic 3D information”, “scientists are baffled” etc. etc.
If you don’t believe there is any physical evidence on the Shroud besides pigment smears then why are you citing scientists who believe there is physical evidence on Shroud besides pigments?
Yes I agree there are some looney things people do in regards to this object, but this does not invalidate the possibility it might be authentic.
On the same note, you’re an Atheist (all due respect) so it might be fair to say you think anything Christians believe about Jesus Christ such as resurrection etc. is looney.
I didn’t say that.
What else besides pigment and smears do you believe is on/in Shroud?
Dirt and burn marks.
Well now you know.