The Stone Bridge example and IC

[swamidass (S. Joshua Swamidass)]

@AllenWitmerMiller

Hi TA, in that example, Behe would say that lungs and gills are very complex multi-systems, and wouldn’t qualify as counterexamples to IC, which considers single systems.

Perhaps he would. But it would be a dodge.

The ameba-bacteria obligate symbiosis is an excellent example to work out that shows why this is a dodge. Also, @Biblo, have you read these two linked critiques yet?

@swamidass

A useful explanation I just found of how moving goal posts work with irreducible complexity comes from this review of Behe’s 2010 review of the literature: Behe’s review in context, or what’s the point? .

@swamidass

Another set of excellent quotes from an article that was published alongside Behe’s.

Irreducible Incoherence and Intelligent Design: A Look into the Conceptual Toolbox of a Pseudoscience. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/49764027_Irreducible_Incoherence_and_Intelligent_Design_A_Look_into_the_Conceptual_Toolbox_of_a_Pseudoscience

These articles have it spot on. No mention of these or rebuttal of them from Behe that I have found. Have you?