Without invoking miracles, magical gardens, or talking serpents, my genome clearly shows that my GEs were Neanderthal females who mated with modern human males (my GAs) who were descendants of those who left out of Africa less than 50,000 years ago. The mating of my GAs and my GEs took place somewhere in the Middle East between 47,000 and 40,200 years ago. I had several GAEs who were modern Human GA and Neanderthal GE. I would appreciate that my friend @AllenWitmerMiller would refrain from disparaging mine (and his) real GAEs in this forum.
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As you know, the GAE concept is based on genealogical common ancestry. So if your GAE were Neanderthals, you are either: 1) a very special—indeed alien—human; or 2) defining “GAE” to be something utterly different from anyone else.
I guess it could be both, since in principle there could be strange alien humans who display the kind of deep ignorance that your posts reveal.
If you are curious (LOL) about genealogical common ancestry in humans, you can try actually reading about the GAE (you don’t even understand what the G stands for) or try something like this:
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There’s no reason GAE couldn’t be neandertals unless you demand them to have lived 6000 years ago. Otherwise their age is irrelevant. All that’s required is that they’re ancestral to all humans by 2000 years ago; they don’t have to be the most recent common ancestors, just common. And of course there’s no reason to suppose that any of their genetic material has survived.
Not seeing any deep ignorance here.
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He told us in a previous thread, and IMO this current post shows he still doesn’t know what the G is (or what it means).
But of course you’re right that one might (with tongue in cheek) find one’s personal “GAE” anywhere in the past, in Neanderthals or for that matter in fishapods and choanoflagellates; all you have to do is invent a new definition of what GAE means.
That said, serious question: do you think the GAE concept would work in a Neanderthal? Given that the GAE is not a scientific proposition but a framework in which one can tell an A&E story, do Neanderthals qualify? I seem to recall that William Lane Craig is open to that (a much more ancient A&E). My view is that if the goal is to help those who believe the creation stories, you need A&E to be recent enough to fit into ANE history. And my view as an unbeliever is that this is the only goal worth even discussing, since my only hope for GAE is that it will help some Christians move away from science denialism.
No need to respond.
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Why wouldn’t they? As long as they don’t have to be 6000 years old, they could be anyone before that who qualifies as human. Of course that makes it odd that Cain would build a city and makes the biblical genealogies suspect. If that’s what you care about, then yes, neandertals are out.
The only requirement of GAE is that they are ancestral to all humans alive 2000 years ago. The recent papers I posted here clearly show that many Neanderthal females mated with modern human males from Africa in the Middle East over a seven thousand year period from 47,000 years ago 40,000 years. Millions of genomes today shows that these GAEs were ancestral to all of us and everyone that lived 2000 years ago. It time for humanity to move away from fictional creation stories and embrace the true facts of who we are and where we came from.
There are a great many people who were ancestral to everyone that lived 2000 years ago. Most of them are not genetic ancestors, only genealogical ones. If there actually were an A&E, there’s no reason to suppose that they were neandertals and some, if the bible correctly describes anything about them, not to. Based on the text, they would have lived after the invention of agriculture, for example. What’s your point?
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Like I said, Patrick doesn’t know what the G means.
My point is that too much credence is given to a particular ancient creation story. Modern science has given us the true answer of how our species became the dominant creature on Earth. There was no miraculous creation story. Time to place the creation stories in Genesis in the ancient mythology section of the library along with GAE.
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My basketball coach back in 1967 was definitely a Neanderthal.
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You should understand that GAE incorporates the true history of our species. Were you not aware? It’s only two individuals who get the special creation thing, and they’re invisible to science.
Couldn’t resist:
Don’t you appreciate how in all artistic renderings of Adam, he always has a neatly trimmed beard and hairstyle? (Of course, if sin had not yet entered the world and everything was perfect, that would include personal stylings.)
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<looks at the hair and beard>
Adam and Eve were dryads?
Who knew?
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Swimidass’ GAE is invisible to science because no special creation took place. GAE is as much a fiction as the story in Genesis is. Neanderthals are in the genealogy of every human alive today and in every human alive 2000 years ago. In addition, Neanderthal genes are in most people alive today. So from a genealogical and genetic basis, Neanderthals are our ancestors.
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DNA results shows absence of Neanderthal genes on the Y-chromosome. This means that the mating of Neanderthal male and modern human female died out rapidly. Only the mating of modern human male and Neanderthal female resulted in the colonization of Europe, Asia, and Australia after 50,000 years ago. All modern humans out of Africa prior to 50,000 years ago died out.
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Non sequitur. GAE is invisible to science because if it happened it would leave no evidence. Nothing you have said is relevant to GAE.
All very nice, but still irrelevant to GAE. I ask again what your point is supposed to be.
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My point is that GAE is like saying Noah’s Ark was nuclear powered and Santa’s reindeers can violate the laws of physics on Christmas Eve. If you want genealogical facts about the origin of humanity look to science for those answers not mythology.
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I doubt the first part, but the second is a no-brainer! 
Merry Christmas, Satisfactory Saturnalia, etc. etc .
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Well, if that’s your point, you ought to have stated it earlier. Sure, the A&E story is ridiculous. But GAE isn’t for you. It’s intended for people who need to believe in the A&E story, showing them that they don’t have to abandon the scientific evidence in order to do so.
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