The true GAEs of humanity were Neanderthal Females GEs and Africa Modern Human GAs

[Mercer (John Mercer)]

@Patrick

What would the genome of the Swamidass GAE look like?

GAE makes no such predictions. I agree with others that you are completely missing the essence of it.

[sfmatheson (Stephen Matheson)]

Do you know what the AE stands for? If you did, you would know that it’s two people, meaning two genomes. What would they look like? The GAE idea doesn’t know or care what the genomes look like, but the answer is simple: they would look like typical genomes of the population in which they lived. The GAE concept makes no claim about what the AE were like and has no claim about their genomes. If you had done any rudimentary reading about the GAE and the science (from 2004) it is based on, you would know all of this.

[Patrick]

If GAE’s genomes are completely lost to the human race, how are they so special? How does the “image of God” and original sin from their fall get into humanity?

[misterme987 (Andrew P.)]

Please read the book which discusses these questions. You seem to be criticizing something you haven’t actually looked into.

[John_Harshman]

So you actually didn’t know anything about GAE when you started beating on it? What the heck, dude?

[Mercer (John Mercer)]

@misterme987

You seem to be criticizing something you haven’t actually looked into.

I dispute your use of “seem” here.

[sfmatheson (Stephen Matheson)]

@misterme987

Please read the book which discusses these questions.

Patrick, you don’t have to read a book. You can read a single article. This will save you some time, and my advice is to spend that time developing basic intellectual integrity.

[chuckdarwin]

Perhaps Patrick is just having one over on you–you think? One of the unique aspects of the monotheistic religions is a distinct lack of any sense of humor. But what can you expect from such a dour collection of killjoys such as Paul, Augustine, Luther and Calvin…

As Mark Twain said: “When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people who have gone on to a better world, I am moved to lead a different life.”

[Patrick]

I read the book when it first came out. I dismissed GAE as total nonsense then and now. GAE is tautology.

[Patrick]

@RonSewell

To my understanding, these would not be mutually exclusive alternatives.

As mutually exclusive alternatives as fact and fiction. Neanderthal female GEs and African Modern Human males GAs are a fact and the Swimidass GAE is a fiction.

[Paul_King]

Since I don’t think that God directly created any Neanderthal females or African modern human males, I can’t agree.

[John_Harshman]

You still have no clear idea what GAE means. At least you consistently misuse it in several different ways.

[John_Harshman]

@Patrick

Neanderthal female GEs and African Modern Human males GAs are a fact and the Swimidass GAE is a fiction.

No. You have both male and female neanderthal and both male and female modern human ancestors. Some of them are even genetic ancestors. I doubt that any of them are GAE, but there’s no way to tell.

[Patrick]

The latest results show that the wave of Modern Humans that left Africa 50,000 years years ago that mated Neanderthals from 47,000 to 40,000 years ago were the founding population that are the ancestors of all humanity in Europe, Asia, Americas and Australia. In all people today the are no Neanderthal genes on the Y chromosome indicating that mating of Neandertal males with Human female did not survive.

[John_Harshman]

None of that is relevant to GAE, though some of it is true. The absence of neandertal genes on the Y chromosome merely shows that any such genes were lost; it’s not necessary for them never to have been present in the modern human population, nor is it necessary for no male neandertals to be ancestral to you or to have contributed some autosomal DNA to you. Nor was Africa isolated from the rest of the world. There was both gene flow and genealogical descent in and out of Africa during that and subsequent times, including some neandertal contributions into Africa. And to repeat, none of that is in any way relevant to GAE; not sure why you can’t understand that.

[Patrick]

@Paul_King

Since I don’t think that God directly created any Neanderthal females or African modern human males, I can’t agree.

So you say that God didn’t create any Neanderthal female or African modern human males? Isn’t that the same what the atheist evolutionists say? That Neanderthals and Modern Humans evolved, intermingled without God’s intervention?

[misterme987 (Andrew P.)]

@Patrick

So you say that God didn’t create any Neanderthal female or African modern human males? Isn’t that the same what the atheist evolutionists say?

This is just getting strange. You know that GAE, ex hypothesi, were created directly by God? So unless you think that Neanderthal females and African modern human males were the products of special creation, they aren’t GAEs. That’s what @Paul_King is getting at.

[Paul_King]

@Patrick

So you say that God didn’t create any Neanderthal female or African modern human males? Isn’t that the same what the atheist evolutionists say?

That’s probably because I’m an “atheist evolutionist”.

[Paul_King]

@misterme987

So unless you think that Neanderthal females and African modern human males were the products of special creation, they aren’t GAEs. That’s what @Paul_King is getting at.

Exactly right.