Vesuvius and the Evidence for the Resurrection

[colewd (Bill Cole)]

@faded_Glory

Do you accept the documented acts of the Greek Gods during the generally accepted Trojan war? If not, why not?

No. These acts are generally accepted as myths.

Over half the population believes in resurrection as a an act of God. Elijah prayed and resurrected a child during his time on earth.

[faded_Glory]

@colewd

These acts are generally accepted as myths.

Why is that?

They are now, but for many centuries they were not.

[DarrenG]

@John_Harshman

Should we believe the conclusions of Christian scholars more than those of others? It seems to me that they would be less credible, not more, because of the possibility of bias. Is your tribalism showing here?

A good question. Honestly I don’t think I am showing tribalism, because I switched tribes, and I exist in an uneasy middle ground where I am regularly mocked by both tribes.
I think we are all showing bias here, how could we not? However as a general rule of thumb I distrust anyone from either side whose conclusions too neatly fit their prior assumptions without any signs that they have tried to understand the other side.

[Faizal_Ali]

@colewd

No. These acts are generally accepted as myths.

Over half the population believes in resurrection as a an act of God. Elijah prayed and resurrected a child during his time on earth.

That’s your argument? “It’s true because people believe it’s true”? Seriously?

[colewd (Bill Cole)]

@faded_Glory

They are now, but for many centuries they were not.

Yes a clear difference.

[Faizal_Ali]

@colewd

Yes a clear difference.

The only difference is that history has not yet progressed to the point that Christianity joins the ash heap of all the other religions that humans once believed were real. Can you provide any good reason that it should be an exception?

[John_Harshman]

@colewd

If you believe we are in a created universe then the documented evidence in the Tanakh (Old Testament) and the New Testament becomes more credible.

Does the documented information in the Ramayana also become more credible? I doubt you think so. It’s specifically the Christian (or at least Judeo-Christian) god you need.

@colewd

the analyzation of the Assyrian army

Beg pardon?

@DarrenG

However as a general rule of thumb I distrust anyone from either side whose conclusions too neatly fit their prior assumptions without any signs that they have tried to understand the other side.

Do you think that most non-Christian bible scholars are in that group?

[colewd (Bill Cole)]

@John_Harshman

Does the documented information in the Ramayana also become more credible? I doubt you think so. It’s specifically the Christian (or at least Judeo-Christian) god you need.

I think it puts all creation based origin explanations in a stronger position.

@John_Harshman

Beg pardon?

annihilation

[John_Harshman]

@colewd

I think it puts all creation based origin explanations in a stronger position.

So why don’t you come here touting the Ramayana?

[colewd (Bill Cole)]

@John_Harshman

So why don’t you come here touting the Ramayana?

What do you think the Ramayana explains?

[John_Harshman]

@colewd

What do you think the Ramayana explains?

Why do you answer a question with a question?

[colewd (Bill Cole)]

@John_Harshman

Why do you answer a question with a question?

I giving you the benefit of the doubt that your question has some value. At this point I cannot see any.

[John_Harshman]

But why should I think the Ramayana explains anything? I don’t think the bible explains anything. You’re the one who claims that the Ramayana should be credible, because the universe was created. So why are you ignoring it?

[colewd (Bill Cole)]

@John_Harshman

I don’t think the bible explains anything.

Is this a serious comment?

[John_Harshman]

Another self-referential comment?

[Faizal_Ali]

I have to say, picking up on a comment you made earlier, I am a bit disappointed in the Christian members of this group who have by and large given Bill a pass when he uses the same sort of rhetorical ploys to support the resurrection of Jesus as he does when arguing for creationism. That one might share Bill’s belief in the resurrection does not excuse his use of faulty logic and misrepresentation of scholarly research. Unless I’ve forgotten something, the only Christian who has taken him to task has been a creationist (@vjtorley).

[DarrenG]

@Faizal_Ali

That one might share Bill’s belief in the resurrection does not excuse his use of faulty logic and misrepresentation of scholarly research.

I agree with you. Sadly my time is limited and I don’t always have time to participate in discussions that interest me. Trying to correct every mistake on the internet is beyond my capabilities. So please do not assume a lack of comments from me means I endorse it.