Science is not about proof. It is about forming hypothesis and testing them. For ID the hypothesis is that a mind is behind what is being observed. The test is if a mind can perform a similar task.
Now that you have Ā« producedĀ» this sequence of letters, yes. Indeed, if at this point someone produces this same sequence of letters, we can be quite sure that he will do so not by chance but by design, because the sequence is now specified.
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Okā¦ so the design filter is completely uselessā¦ thanks.
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I want you to tell me if that sequence of letters is designed or not. Did I randomly pick letters out of my scrabble box ( Iām playing scrabble right now) or is it intelligently designed? Itās defintely contingent. Definitely complex. Is it specified? Or is it just jibberish?
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No. But a fictional work can illustrate the logic associated to a scientific evidence.
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You couldnāt tell just from the sequence whether the string of letters was random or designed.
The design filter was supposed to allow you to do that.
Why didnāt it?
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They didnāt know it was a designed object. They just knew there was this big fuck off monolith in a spot where it wasnāt before, and it freaked them out.
Imagine that right now, one hour after you produced your sequence of letters, I am playing scrabble. And imagine that I pick 26 letters out of my scrabble box and put them on the scrabble board. And imagine, guess what, that the sequence of my 26 letters corresponds to your sequence. Would you say that I picked the letter blindly and randomly? Of course not. You would rightly say that I purposely chose the letters in order to reproduce your sequence, IOW in order to match a specification ( an independently given pattern).
Thatās not what I asked. I asked if my original
Sequence was designed or not. ID is supposed to be able to answer these questions. If you canāt do it thatās fine. Did I pick them randomly or did I pick the exact ones for a reason and arrange them in a meaningful way?
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What is the independently given pattern in any DNA sequences or any amino acids which indicate Design? All I see are IDers writing down the sequences they found and then claiming that is a specification.
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Given the information you gave me, I have no evidence to infer design because I have no evidence that it is specified.
It is specified. Me and my sister have made up our own languages and codes. She knows exactly what that says. āHello Taylorā. So back to my point. The design filter is useless because it canāt reliably identify specification because itās completely subjective.
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Hey Gil, suppose youāre told one of these hoodoos isnāt a naturally formed erosion feature but is actually a sculpture of an ancient space alien King.
Please give us the ID procedure for determining which one is Designed.
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Just like you have no evidence any DNA sequence or amino acid is specified. No specification = no design inference, right?
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This is your claim however you assert it is a logic failure. If it is a logic failure it is yours. Can you support the claim that you made a logic failure here with this statement that is uniquely yours?
Bill everyone here has seen you face plant with this same logical fallacy dozens of times. Own it.
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Yep. And because itās completely subjective there is nothing to stop it from producing false positives.
As I recall Dembski abandoned the EF years ago for that exact reason, then kinda brought it back after too many ID sycophants screamed bloody murder.
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You donāt see that you are committing a straw man fallacy?
The word complexity without describing anything specific is yours and changes the meaning of the claim. My words include arrangement of parts and sequence.