A Science Fiction Riddle

Continuing the discussion from Octopus not an Alien:

Here is a thought experiment.

Imagine that a space ship appears over Washington DC, and by some miracle is not shot down (this is fiction, right?). Imagine this ship is carrying intelligent beings that claim to be from another planet very very far away. Their technology is far more advanced than ours, and they can verify their ability to travel between the stars. Perhaps we saw their ship coming towards us from outside the solar system.

Now, imagine that these intelligent aliens (and they are aliens) look somewhat like humans, at least eerily like us. We notice strange similarities between our biology and theirs. They have DNA too, and the same genetic code between nucleic and amino acids. Then, to everyone’s amazement, we find that they are reproductively compatible with us. We can bear hybrid offspring with them, that end up being “normal,” growing up to be non-diseased individuals.

What should we conclude about this? How could this possibly have happened?

This is a common scenario in science fiction.

We see it in Star Trek (remember the Klingon-Human hybrid?). We also see it in the ending of Battlestar Galactica. In Start Trek, it is treated is a boring fact of biology. In Battlestar Galactica, it is seen as a stunning and inexplicable reality of their world.

Which one account is closer to a modern understanding of biology?

The classic scifi explanation has two populations separated many years ago. This would be like Romulans and Vulcans, not Human/Klingon or Human/Vulcan hybrids.

Fred Hoyle might’ve suggested is was due to viral-based, panspermia.

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Nope. Viral-based panspermia of any sort is not enough to explain biological compatibility to the degree we could have hybrid offspring.

The Preservers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paradise_Syndrome

It would seem to mean that we are descended from their species, perhaps as the once-orphaned remnants of an ancient “alien” colonization effort. What it wouldn’t answer is the origin of life question, and why the universe we inhabit is anthropically-suited in the first place.

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Nope, that wouldn’t do it. That wouldn’t explain why we are so similar to Chimpanzees and we find precursors like Neanderthals in the fossil record. There would not be continuity between us and the rest of Earth if we were remnants of a past colonization effort.

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But, you assume that chimpanzees were not also part of the original colonization effort in order to reject that hypothesis. Which is another way of saying that the alleged continuity is on the basis of similarity, but the mechanisms of novelty remain to be explored more closely.

Nope, not my assumption.

Let’s say that chimpanzees were part of the initial colonization (why?). Then we could ask the same question about gorillas. Why are chimpanzees/humans so similar to gorillas, such that several of our genes are closer to gorillas than chimpanzees? Moreover, this still leaves unanswered the problem of Neanderthals.

You want to include gorillas now in this space-ark of a colonization? Well, we can now ask the same question of orangutans. There is just now way to imagine how this colonization could be done that would not leave major questions about (1) why those of us that descend from the colonists are so similar to all the “natives”, and (2) why there are fossils showing our progression in the past.

Remember, this idea of space colonization is the premise of the question itself, as this the proposal of Battlestar Galactica. However, this does not answer the question of why the colonists were so deeply biologically compatible with those on this planet, so much so that they could interbreed with them (BG story). Saying we are colonists from a prior attempt just introduces new problems from the fossil record.

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Now we’re getting into a puzzle arising from a riddle. Introducing the fossil record as a refutation of my answer is a bit sneaky; there’s nothing to preclude episodic colonization of gradually developing species, for the purpose of ecological niche exploitation and biota preparation for more advanced life. That is, this is another way of looking at what Hugh Ross would call “progressive creationism.” Only this scenario has things clandestinely arriving full grown via a series of spacecrafts. Not saying I advocate either scenario; just that your central riddle of hybrid fertlility suggests common speciation, by some means which does not preclude the foregoing.
What’s your answer?

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Which really makes no sense at all. Who is sending them our way? How do they have access to space technology so far beyond ours? How do they have access to living examples of their very distant ancestors?

I can only think of three possible solutions, two of which are falsifiable based on what we learn from the space travelers. One of these three solutions is in the Battlestar Galactica storyline, the other two require creativity.

Maybe @vjtorley could try a guess =)? Or @gbrooks9 and @Patrick?

Our forebears.
They’ve been around much longer.
They stumbled upon successful methods of genetically engineering those ancient distant ancestors.
They discovered this rare, habitable planet and have been seeding it with life forms to speed up the same process which took place on their own planet.
Makes plenty of sense as a potential story arc.
Will bow out now, and wait for others to try their hand. Cheers!

Hmmm…
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Why assume we are the ones transported in from somewhere and not the offworlders?

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Because, given the original sci-fi scenario, individuals from a much advanced alien culture are, nevertheless, capable of successfully breeding with us. Such compatibility is definitely not to be expected, if independent origins are proposed. Remember, this is sci-fi, and it seems a test of what we know of the laws of genetics, coupled with forensics.

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Wait a minute… @swamidass, are you telling me that the film Prometheus is not a documentary?

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Hi Joshua,

All right. Here’s my guess.

@swamidass
Imagine that a space ship appears over Washington DC, and by some miracle is not shot down (this is fiction, right?). Imagine this ship is carrying intelligent beings that claim to be from another planet very very far away. Their technology is far more advanced than ours, and they can verify their ability to travel between the stars. Perhaps we saw their ship coming towards us from outside the solar system.

Now, imagine that these intelligent aliens (and they are aliens) look somewhat like humans, at least eerily like us. We notice strange similarities between our biology and theirs. They have DNA too, and the same genetic code between nucleic and amino acids. Then, to everyone’s amazement, we find that they are reproductively compatible with us. We can bear hybrid offspring with them, that end up being “normal,” growing up to be non-diseased individuals.

What should we conclude about this? How could this possibly have happened?

There are two cases we need to consider here: either (a) they have animals and plants on their planet which are reproductively compatible with ours, or (b) they don’t.

In case (a), I can think of only two conclusions one could reach. The similarities clearly cannot be a coincidence. To explain the seeming coincidence without resorting to colonization (too far-fetched, as it would have had to have been going on for billions of years, with regular visitations) or time travel (which I consider to be metaphysically impossible), one must either (i) deny that living things evolved independently on Earth and the alien planet or (ii) suppose that evolution takes place along predetermined lines - rather like the thesis propounded by Simon Conway Morris, only much more extreme: one would have to claim that there is no contingency in evolution.

Re (i): one could suppose that the planet which the aliens came from originally orbited around our Sun, but got snatched out of the solar system a few hundred thousand years ago by a passing star, which then acquired it. One would also have to suppose that while it was still in our solar system, this planet’s orbit passed very near to Earth’s on regular occasions, and that DNA was exchanged between the two planets via volcanic debris, collisions with meteorites or asteroids, or something like that. For instance, maybe, just maybe, animal eggs might, on rare occasions, get swept between the two planets when they passed within a million miles of each other, say, keeping their evolution running in tandem with each other. (I know, it’s a big stretch, but it’s conceivable.) There would still be a mystery as to why the aliens’ technology was so far ahead of ours, but one could suppose that maybe their planet, after being snatched away, never had to pass through our Ice Ages, so the humans on the alien planet managed to discover agriculture and established cities hundreds of thousands of years before we did.

Re (ii): evolutionary hyper-determinism is out of fashion these days, as the neutral (or nearly neutral) theory of evolution is very much in vogue. I suppose one could argue that while most mutations are neutral, there are certain underlying “laws of form” which constrain evolutionary pathways and make it inevitable that intelligent humanoids appear. (I believe Michael Denton and Richard Sternberg think along these lines.) I’m rather doubtful, however, that this model could explain why the aliens were able to interbreed with us. That would be an unexpected bonus.

In case (b), the aliens come from a planet which either (i) has no animals and plants at all, or (ii) whose animals and plants are not like ours, genetically. Re (i): the aliens would still need to eat, so one might suppose that they periodically “raid” Earth for food. However, their technologically primitive ancestors (assuming the aliens weren’t always an advanced race) would have needed to eat, too, but they wouldn’t have had spaceships, so this scenario appears to be a non-starter.

Re (ii): if the animals and plants on the alien planet had a different genetic code and lacked DNA, then it would appear that the aliens themselves had been “transplanted” onto their planet, at some point in the past. But who would have done such a thing? The only possibility I can think of is that another race of aliens abducted some Earthlings a few hundred thousand years ago and deposited them on the alien planet, and then proceeded to give them a crash course in science, which is why they now have a technological advantage over us. I don’t think the aliens’ ability to eat and digest animals and plants on their own planet which lacked our DNA and had a different genetic code poses a particular problem, as their bodies would be able to break down the protein in these animals and plants into its constituent amino acids. (Mind you, I never studied biochemistry, so maybe there’s something I’m missing here.)

I suppose another possibility I haven’t considered is that God Himself (or His angels) did a bit of alien “transplanting,” but I don’t think that was what you had in mind, @swamidass. Or was it? My two cents, anyway. Cheers.

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I’m not suggesting independent origins. Joshua’s scenario said nothing about the offworlder’s biological origins, only that they came from a planet far away. Doesn’t mean they originated off Earth, only that their current home is another planet.

There are many books in the scifi genre that have this ‘transplanted human culture’ theme as a plot element.

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Well, now you’re approacing the fiction that “Scientology” teaches.

This is pure fiction, a CS Lewis styled imagination. Not Scientology.