Daniel Ang: A Scientist Looks at the Resurrection

Why are you not a follower of Sathya Sai Baba? Millions of still living people claim to have witnessed him heal the blind and resurrect the dead?

There are miracle claims being exaggerated in the present moment for events that happened less than 75 years ago.

Despite the existence of documentation by eye-witnesses, some of whom were very recently still alive, that anyone can go and check, nobody does so. The miracle stories are believed simply upon hearing them, nothing is checked or verified, and they are passed along and exaggerated continuously. Give those stories another twenty centuries, what do we get out the other end?

How can anyone possibly trust two thousand year old collections of stories in light of what we know about human psychology, cognitive biases, and the sociology of belief? And how can you justify believing in those 2000 year old stories, while rejecting others much more well supported, and witness by thousands and some times millions of still living people?

How many of these people were publicly executed (evidence), and buried because everyone had given up on them (evidence)? How many of them were seen by the devote opposition of Sai Baba after rising from the dead, and convincing this opposition that they had risen from the dead (evidence)? When did Sai Baba himself die and rise again (evidence)? What happened after he died (evidence)?

What do the “cultural controls” tell us (evidence)? What do people in Sai Baba’s Indian context do when they try and demonstrate they are a religious leader (evidence)? How does that compare with the Messiah figures of 1st Century Palestine (evidence)?

In those questions you will see why you are comparing apples to oranges here. The similarity is only superficial.

THere is far more than stories.

The Resurrection of Jesus is, believe it or not, better supported.

I understand you have your apologetic arguments. I’m not sure what the purpose is here though. I’m willing to explain why I trust in Jesus. You don’t have to agree with it. If you want to understand, it is understandable. No one is forcing you to agree with us.

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Yes, please. I’m trying to figure out how some gibberish from C. S. Lewis ties in with that. Seems to be going in the opposite direction.

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Just out of curiosity, so we know where we are starting from, have you ever read Mere Christianity?

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Thanks @Guy_Coe. @John_Harshman, there is a reason this is true:

Mormonism has had a difficult time establishing public evidence for the book of mormon. From the article linked by @Guy_Coe:

Although these Mormon “eyewitnesses” are still cited in the opening pages of the Book of Mormon as though they were reliable authenticators of the text, all three of these original “eyewitnesses” eventually recanted their story about the Golden Plates:

Oliver Cowdery
Cowdery exposed Joseph Smith’s affair with Fanny Alger and, as a result, was excommunicated from the Mormon Church. Smith described Cowdery as a thief, liar, perjurer, counterfeiter, adulterer and leader of “scoundrels of the deepest degree”. Cowdery eventually became a Methodist and denied the Book of Mormon, publicly stating that he had “sorrow and shame” over his connection with Mormonism.

Martin Harris
Harris was a member of five different religious groups prior to becoming a Mormon and eight different religious groups after leaving Mormonism. Like Cowdery, Harris was also excommunicated from the Mormon Church. He recanted his “eyewitness” testimony related to the Golden Plates and reported that he did not see them as Joseph Smith maintained. Harris instead said that he saw the plates spiritually in a “state of entrancement” after praying for three days.

David Whitmer
Whitmer, like Cowdery and Harris, was eventually excommunicated from the Mormon Church. He declared himself to be a prophet of the New Church of Christ, resulting in condemnation from Joseph Smith who called him a “dumb beast to ride” and an “ass to bray out cursings instead of blessings”. Whitmer later admitted that he saw the Golden Plates “by the eye of faith” rather than with his physical eyes. He waffled repeatedly on the descriptions he offered related to this sighting.

Joseph Smith eventually decided to add additional “eyewitnesses” to his list of authenticators. He added eight more men to his list, limiting his choices to close friends or family members. These men also had difficulty staying true to Mormonism; two apostatized and left the faith and one was excommunicated. Of the five remaining “witnesses” three were blood relatives of Joseph Smith (I’ve written a chapter in Cold-Case Christianity describing the advantage of familial relationships when trying to establish a successful conspiracy).

Now if this is true (and it should be verified), this fits the pattern of an intentional conspiracy. This is not what we see with the testimonies of the Resurrection.

It’s interesting to note that the original Golden Plate “eyewitnesses” had no less religious fervor following their denial of the plates than they did when they first testified to their existence: they went on to become active members in other religious groups. Interestingly, none of the true eyewitnesses of the Resurrection slipped into any of the patterns we see in the lives of Cowdery, Harris or Whitmer.

If it is evidence we care about, these details should matter. The Resurrection of Jesus is an unequaled event in history. This evidence is there, even though we are conceding up front it is not definitive. I can’t imagine how a dead man rising to life could ever admit a definitive case, as it is just so unbelievable.

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I know Tal Brooks! Had some crazy experience with Sai Baba. The article is good too, because it answers this question:

I knew the key points of the answer here already, but the details drive home the point.

You can go interview the witnesses of his miracle works. Today. Some of the very people he was claimed to have healed. He died less than 10 years ago. You can’t do that for Jesus.

Sai Baba convinced more people in his lifetime than Jesus did for the first three centuries after his death.

One big advantage we have to day is that he lived in the age of television and the internet, and we are still only a decade away from when he died. Which makes it easier to fact-check claims about him, interview skeptics, and so on. None of which we can do for Jesus’ resurrection. Notice how popular Sai Baba became, and how many followed him and still do, despite the continued existence of numerous accusations against him about fraud.

For the resurrection? What else is there?

Holy fork! That is absurd on it’s face. The accounts of the purported resurrection of Jesus that we have all come from the gospels, and aren’t even thought to be firsthand by new testament experts. And they’re millenia old.

You can go now, today, and interview living witnesses of Sai Baba’s many miracles.

How is it possible that second, or third, or worse-hand written accounts by people we have no way of corroborating are actually eye-witnesses to anything at all, millenia old, can constitute “better support” for Jesus’ resurrection, than the thousands of STILL LIVING eyewitnesses of Sai Baba’s miracle works?

Thanks. You’re preaching to the choir here though. I don’t believe any of Sai Baba’s miracle claims, just like I don’t for Jesus.

Now where do we go to interview contemporaries of Jesus?

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No, though I’ve had it quoted at me frequently.

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Look, I’m not here to bash anyone over the head. Obviously we disagree about this, and I openly admit I argue in part to try to convince you, or anyone reading this, that you’re wrong. But I don’t do this because I think you’re an idiot, and I don’t make demands of you.

It should be possible to have an argument between two grown men and for each part to try to persuade, or rebut the other without this devolving into hostilities. I know that you aren’t trying to “force” me to agree with you and you aren’t “demanding” of me that I should, and I completely share that feeling.

I argue how I see things, and you rebut my arguments and argue back. That’s in the nature of arguments. There are no hard feelings here on my part and I don’t sense any coming from you. If you don’t want to have this argument then so be it, we can stop having it. I won’t declare victory or anything. We disagree, we gave arguments and rebuttals, that’s it we can move on.

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At the remove of 2000 years it’s hard to tell the difference.

Yes, and muslims will tell you that the Quran is an unequaled event too, also proof of its truth. Every religion has something like that. Each of them can only be seen from the inside.

That’s a rough approximation of the Bayesian case. I suggest that your prior must have been large.

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Not next to nothing; we can glean certain attributes of God’s character from arguments like the moral argument. Merely the fact that there are very many possible conceptions of God does not make it so that one particular concept is infinitesimally small in terms of prior probability.

You do know we have the Gospels as they were at the extreme latest by the end of the first century, right? This is not a game of telephone.

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I’d like to hear this moral argument then.

No, I don’t know that. As far as I am aware, the earliest fragments of any Gospel is dated to the first half of the 2nd century, and it’s a fragment. All the other Gospels come later, and several of them are thought to be essentially inspired copies of each other. That gives us over a century of completely unknown methods of transmission, and we have no way of even verifying that they are 1st, 2nd, or 3rd-or-more hand accounts.

Given what we see people doing to pass along even rather mundane stories originating in the present, we have zero good reason to take any of these accounts at face value. Even if they are fist-hand accounts by people who really believe they saw what they report, that still doesn’t give us good reason to actually belive they really saw it. People will reliably confabulate their experiences, exaggerate or cobble together memories of events, and even delude themselves into thinking they themselves saw something they head another person speak about.

And this is all before we even get to consider simple stage trickery, as some people accuse Sai Baba of. There are people alive today, having witnessed people do “stage magic”, who literally believe that the stage magician can do actual magic, and even upon being shown how the trick is performed will refuse to believe that a trick was pulled on them. Now put some unusual experience in the context of pre-scientific, bronze-age palestine, in a culture steeped in supernatural monetheistic beliefs, messiah-myths, demonic possesions, witchcraft, preacher cults and what have you.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Somebody claims to have seen a resurrection, and we only have 2nd-3rd or worse-hand accounts from millenia ago, at the earliest about a century after the purported events, and we have no way of verifying their actual connection to the claimed events, isn’t extraordinary evidence.

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Hi Vincent,

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Your objection basically boils down to, how can one decide the priors for Jesus’ resurrection? You rightly point out that arguing for a high prior is complicated and involves subjective elements. The subjectivity of priors points to what I’ve said before: that a naive Bayesian model fails to accurately capture how we actually reason. Both atheists and Christian apologists use Bayes’ theorem to attempt to support their case, and in most instances I have encountered, the resulting odds always end up being hugely in favor of one stance over another. For example, the McGrews calculate the odds of R vs. non-R to be in excess of 10^40!

Such drastic results, besides discrediting the reliability and repeatability of Bayesian probability estimation, also fly in the face of day-to-day reality of reasoning, where people have major disagreements in topics from politics to religion to economics to New Testament studies, and we often come away unable to decide definitively which viewpoint is right. There often seem to be smart and reasonable arguments on both sides of a debate. Yet I’ve never come across someone running Bayesian calculations of all of these stances and churning out reasonable probabilities which are between 1 to 99%. It always curiously seems to be the case that one’s preferred conclusion has >0.99 probability while the alternatives are a meagerly <0.01. Nobody has ever been convinced in a debate by Bayesian calculations; one simply disputes the subjective priors, which we are doing here, as we did last time. So, it’s clear that Bayesian calculation is not the way we actually reason; it also seems clear that it’s not the way we should reason.

Instead, I think it is more accurate to say that humans reason dynamically and constantly, such that the Bayesian priors of an event happening are constantly updated. As each of the naturalistic theories to explain E are examined and found to be ad hoc, contrived, or wanting in some other way, we increase the prior for R. As we examine the rest of Jesus’ life, his teachings, the history of the church, and other aspects of the Christian worldview, we increase or decrease the prior likelihood of R accordingly. It is hard to write out this process mathematically - we would effectively be trying to model the human brain. So it’s hard to assess how “rational” a person is when undergoing this process. It is more practical to just analyze the different hypotheses using a set of pre-determined, neutral explanatory criteria, similar to what Licona and Craig have done.

Your second objection is regarding whether we have reliable evidence that the disciples experienced the same thing with regards to the postmortem appearances of Jesus. Your observation here

is pertinent - @Andrew_Loke in his exhaustive reduction of the naturalistic alternatives to E (it is a pretty neat paper - and downloadable for free), observes that if one establishes the historical credibility of Luke 24:36-43 (which claims that the disciples touched Jesus’ hands and feet and saw him eating), all of the viable naturalistic theories are rendered implausible.

Just to bring it back to the source, here is the passage (ESV translation):

As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate before them.

As a layman, I don’t claim to have expertise in deciding what criteria should be applied in order to determine whether this passage is reliable. Still, I note that many historians claim Luke is the most historically detailed, accurate and well-written of all the gospels. Secondly, I don’t think it necessary for an event has to be attested in all four gospels (or other sources) in order for it to be historically credible, as that would be applying a “hermeneutic of suspicion” to the gospels that we seem to not apply to other historical sources. At least for layman observers, the main reason for doubting the reliability and accuracy of this passage (and other post-resurrection passages) seems to be precisely because it claims to talk about the post-resurrected Jesus - which in this context would be begging the question. Which is why I wrote in my piece: if you are predisposed against any sort of the supernatural in historical accounts, then you will not be convinced by my case. And I accept that.

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Hi Rumraket,

There are two objections you bring up which I believe are worthwhile and important to respond to.

I. Miracle claims in other religions

  1. Not claiming the same for Jesus’ other miracles: the gospels claim that Jesus performed many miracles of healing the sick, multiplying food, and even resurrecting the dead (Lazarus). Compared to the Resurrection, I don’t think there is as strong of a case to be made for the historical credibility of these, unless you are already a convinced Christian who believes in the infallibility of the Bible. As you said, it is possible that Jesus was capable of sleight-of-hand or other magical tricks. I apply the same criteria to accounts of miracle claims in other religions. But the resurrection is unique, because its evidential case is not simply reducible to believing that some sources said it happened.
  2. The uniqueness of the historical situation for the Resurrection: Jesus’ resurrection is unique in that a confluence of factors seem to conspire to make the alternative hypotheses contrived and/or implausible. 1) One cannot simply explain Jesus’ resurrection as a magic trick or sleight-of-hand: it is well-established that Jesus was crucified and died. 2) It is also difficult to posit an intentional conspiracy by the disciples to steal the body and lie about it: many disciples died for their belief in the Resurrection without ever recanting, indicating that they sincerely believed it, even if they were deluded. The case of the Book of Mormon golden plates seem to give us a real example of what a conspiracy looks like. 3) Early Christianity developed in an environment of suspicion and oppression (from Jews and the Roman authorities), unlike many religions today, making it more vulnerable to opposing polemic. 4) Unlike many other claimed miracles, there was no cultural or situational expectation among the disciples that Jesus would be bodily resurrected. Wright and Craig have argued extensively along these lines. This really makes the hallucination hypothesis less likely.
  3. Other religions’ miracle claims are not necessarily false: While to be honest, I haven’t closely examined miracle claims in many other religions, I don’t discount the possibility that some of them might be genuine. After all, Christians have traditionally always affirmed the existence of demons and other spiritual powers which are at work in the world. Even in the ancient world, simply being able to do miracles was not sufficient to make someone divine, as the skepticism of the Pharisees attest. Why do I remain a Christian then? Other parts of the Christian worldview (about God, creation, reality, and salvation) make more sense compared to say, polytheism (which was powerfully dismantled by Augustine in The City of God, for example). This is why I favor a comprehensive apologetic for Christianity. The Resurrection is a powerful starting point, a litmus test of Christianity, as I said in the article. It’s not the only thing that makes Christianity a robust worldview.

II. Lack of temporal proximity to Resurrection

The second objection you bring up is about how far away removed we are in time from the events described in the Gospels. @structureoftruth has already pointed out that the sources we are working with are actually “only” 20-60 years away from the actual events; most scholars date the composition of all of the gospels no later than the end of the first century. We also witness extraordinary reliability of copying of manuscripts of the gospels starting throughout the first millennium AD: there is no evidence that in this process, the resurrection narratives were significantly tampered with, other than minor grammatical and word order variations. You cannot definitively point to a passage regarding these events and say, “This was clearly an interpolation added by Christians in the late 2nd century” or something like this. There are other passages, such as the case of Jesus and the adulterer (John 8:2-11), which do not seem to be authentic, but that is not the case for the Resurrection narratives. So, the temporal proximity of our sources considerably improves.

Of course, one could argue that in that 20-60 year gap, a lot of exaggeration and fabrication could have occurred: Ehrman has done work in this vein, focusing on the lack of reliability of memory. In contrast, more conservative scholars such as Bauckham, Eddy and Boyd have defended the reliability of gospel narratives. As a layman, I haven’t comprehensively engaged with all of the back-and-forth on this, nor do I have time to do so. This is why in my article, I partially rely on expert opinion - I focus on the reality that the three facts of Jesus death, empty tomb, and post-resurrection appearances are not widely disputed by scholars. This is why I humbly accept that my case is not airtight; one could wiggle oneself away from R.

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Hi @swamidass, @John_Harshman, @Rumraket, @structureoftruth, @Guy_Coe and @dga471,

I have a much better-attested miracle than the Mormon plates, and it provides an excellent illustration of why the “Minimal Facts” case for the Resurrection is inadequate. I’m referring to the levitations of St. Joseph of Cupertino, in the 17th century. I’m talking about no less than 150 sworn depositions from eminent people of unimpeachable veracity, some of them given as early as two years after St. Joseph of Cupertino’s death in 1663. What’s more, there were literally thousands of occasions on which the saint was seen to have levitated. I myself was firmly convinced of the authenticity of St. Joseph’s levitations until a few months ago, when I chanced upon some crucial evidence which pointed the other way.

So how strong is the evidence for St. Joseph of Cupertino’s levitations? It turns out that the levitations were witnessed by thousands of people, on thousands of occasions, over a period of 35 years. Allow me to quote from a blog article, Why Levitation? by Michael Grosso (October 8, 2013), who has done extensive research on the saint:

By chance, on a trip to Italy some years ago I acquired a 1722 biography of St. Joseph of Copertino.

I had read accounts of St. Joseph’s levitations in a scholarly essay by Eric Dingwall and also in Herbert Thurston’s book, The Physical Phenomena of Mysticism . Eventually I began to read Domenico Bernini’s biography of Joseph, which Dingwall had cited as being rich in sworn eyewitness testimonies of the saint’s phenomena , which included more than levitation. I delved into the critical literature and assembled my own thoughts on the subject in a forthcoming book, The Strange Case of St. Joseph of Copertino: Ecstasy and the Mind-Body Problem (Oxford University Press). Joseph’s performances were never dubious sightings; they were show-stoppers , and his reputation as miracle mystic man spread all over Italy and then Europe….

The records show at least 150 sworn depositions of witnesses of high credentials: cardinals, bishops, surgeons, craftsmen, princes and princesses who personally lived by his word, popes, inquisitors, and countless variety of ordinary citizens and pilgrims. There are letters, diaries and biographies written by his superiors while living with him. Arcangelo di Rosmi recorded 70 incidents of levitation; and then decided it was enough. Streams of inexplicable events surrounded the black-bearded friar. Driven by malicious curiosity, even Joseph’s inquisitors observed him in ecstatic levitation during Mass. Their objection to him was not the fact that he levitated; they were concerned with where the power was coming from, God or the Devil?

It is impossible to suppose that all the stories about levitation were part of a Church plot to use miracles to control the mind of the masses. It wasn’t like that at all. The only way to make sense of the Church’s treatment of Joseph is to assume that he possessed these strange abilities in such abundance that there was talk of a new messiah arising. Joseph’s response to his Inquisitor’s was humble and honest. He had to explain that he enjoyed these “consolations” but that he was not proud or pleased with himself for having them. Nevertheless, the Church progressively tried to make him retreat to the most obscure corners of the Adriatic coast, ending finally under virtual house arrest in a small monastic community at Osimo. There was no decline effect in Joseph’s strange aerial behaviors; during his last six years in Osimo he was left alone to plunge into his interior life; the records are unanimous in saying that the ratti (raptures) were in abundance right up until his dying days. The cleric in charge of the community swore that he witnessed Joseph levitate to the ceiling of his cell thousands of times. The surgeon Pierpaolo was cauterizing Joseph’s leg shortly before his death when he realized the friar was insensible and floating in the air. He and his assistant both deposed that they bent down and looked beneath Joseph’s horizontal body, to be sure they weren’t dreaming.

To repudiate the evidence for Joseph’s levitations would be to repudiate thirty-five years of history because the records of his life are quite detailed and entangled with other lives and documented historical events. We would have to assume colossal mendacity and unbelievable stupidity on the part of thousands of people, if we chose to reject this evidence. We would be forced to believe that when the duchess of Parma wrote in a letter that Joseph was the “prodigy of the century”, she was romancing or totally deluded.

Perhaps readers are wondering where one can find the documentation for all of the miracles associated with St. Joseph of Cupertino. I’ve located a short pamphlet entitled, The Life of Saint Joseph of Cupertino by Fr. Christopher Shorrock O.F.M. Conv. (1985) which has this to say on the subject:

A number of biographies of St Joseph of Cupertino have been prepared in the past and give us extensive details of the extraordinary life of the saint. Of paramount importance are the thirteen volumes of the Process of Canonization preserved in the Vatican Archives. In this great literary work we find recounted the numerous testimonies of witnesses (including princes, cardinals, bishops and doctors) who knew St Joseph personally and in many cases were eyewitnesses to the wonderful events of his life. These episodes clearly reveal a man completely open to the transforming grace of God.

And how about this excerpt from an article by Thomas Craughwell in the Arlington Catholic Herald (13 September 2007)?

When the Father General of the Franciscans took Joseph to a private audience with Pope Urban VIII, Joseph levitated in the presence of the Holy Father. An astonished Pope Urban said if he outlived Joseph, he would promote Joseph’s cause for canonization and personally attest to this miracle. On another occasion when Joseph was living in Assisi, Spain’s ambassador to the Papal Court brought his wife and a large retinue to see Joseph. As he entered the church to meet his visitors Joseph saw a statue of the Immaculate Conception. He floated off the floor and flew over the heads of the ambassador and his party to the statue where he remained suspended in the air. Then he floated back to the church door, and made a gentle landing. The Inquisition heard about Joseph and commanded him to appear before their tribunal. On Oct. 21, 1638, as the inquisitors questioned him, Joseph levitated.

And here’s an excerpt (courtesy of Eternal Word Television Network) from the entry for St. Joseph of Cupertino (whose feast day is September 18) in The Saints: A Concise Biographical Dictionary (ed. John Coulson, Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1960):

What strikes us immediately is that his miracles kept drawing such crowds that not only was he up before the Inquisition, but his desperate Superiors sent him from convent to convent. Once the Inquisition removed him to a Capuchin friary, where he was kept in strict enclosure and forbidden even to write or receive letters — to his own bewilderment: ‘Must I go to prison, then?’ he said. Yet, at Assisi, the duke of Brunswick and Hanover, after visiting him, abjured Lutheranism and became a Catholic; Urban VIII, having seen him in ecstasy, said that should Joseph die first, he himself would give evidence of what he had seen. Most important, Prosper Lambertini did his best, as Promotor Fidei (‘Devil’s Advocate’), to discredit him , yet afterwards (as Benedict XIV) published the decree of Joseph’s beatification in 1753 and, in his classical work on Beatification, alluded to the ‘eye-witnesses of unchallengeable integrity’ who witnessed to Joseph’s ‘upliftings from the ground and prolonged flights’. It is difficult to see how, if we reject this evidence, we shall ever find any historical evidence acceptable.

The sheer number of witnessed flights would seem to put the reality of the levitations beyond all doubt. The evidence for St. Joseph’s flights is handily summarized in an article, The flying saint ( The Messenger of Saint Anthony , January 2003), by Renzo Allegri.

The earthly existence of Friar Joseph of Cupertino was rich in charismatic gifts. However, the phenomenon which attracted the most attention occurred during his disconcerting ecstasies. Chronicles recount, as we have already said, that he need only hear the name of Jesus, of the Virgin Mary, or of a saint before going into an ecstasy. He used to let out a wail and float in the air, remaining suspended between heaven and earth for hours. An inadmissible phenomenon for our modern mentality.

“To doubt is understandable,” Fr. Giulio Berettoni, rector of the Shrine of St. Joseph of Cupertino in Osimo tells me “but it isn’t justifiable. If we take a serious look at the saint’s life from a historical point of view, then we see that we cannot question his ecstasies. There are numerous witness accounts. They began to be documented in 1628, and this continued until Joseph’s death in 1663, i.e. for 35 years. In certain periods, the phenomenon is recorded to have taken place more than once a day. It has been calculated that Joseph’s ‘ecstatic flights’ took place at least 1,000 to 1,500 times in his lifetime, perhaps even more, and that they were witnessed by thousands of people. They were the phenomenon of the century. They were so sensational and so public that they attracted attention from curious people from all walks of life, Italians and foreigners, believers and unbelievers, simple folk, but also scholars, scientists, priests, bishops and cardinals. They continued to occur in every situation, in whatever church in which the saint prayed or celebrated Mass. It is impossible to doubt such a sensational and public phenomenon which repeated itself over time. It is also worth noting that these events occurred in the seventeenth century, the time of the Inquisition. Amazing events, miracles and healings were labelled magic and the protagonists ended up undergoing a trial by the civil and religious Inquisition. In fact, St. Joseph of Cupertino underwent this very fate because of his ecstasies. But he was subjected to various trials without ever being condemned; final proof that these are sensational events, but also real, extraordinary and concrete facts.”

Sounds pretty airtight, doesn’t it? Let’s face it: the testimony for these miracles is about as good as you could possibly get. So what changed my mind?

Last year, I came across an article by Joe Nickell in The Skeptical Inquirer (Volume 42.4, July / August 2018), titled, Secrets of ‘The Flying Friar’: Did St. Joseph of Copertino Really Levitate?, a critical review of Michael Grosso’s book, The Man Who Could Fly (2016). It was quite an eye-opener for me.

What made me very suspicious, on reading the article, was that St. Joseph was never actually observed to hover in mid-air, holding onto nothing. Instead, he always held on to something while remaining in the air, sometimes for hours, and he had to bound through the air in order to reach high objects. Finally, he was not able to descend without assistance. To quote Nickell:

Let us start with an incident in which Joseph “flew” to the feet of a statue that stood more than a man’s height above the ground; there he adored it while “floating midair” (Grosso 2016, 81–82). In fact, all the time he “embraced” (i.e., held onto the feet of) the statue! Perhaps with muscular ability he extended his body horizontally to add to the effect.

A more significant example is a story told in the first biography of the friar (Bernini 1722, 150). A priest walking with “Padre Giuseppe” (Father Joseph) had mentioned the beautiful sky when, suddenly:

“These words seemed like an invitation for Padre Giuseppe to fly up into the sky, and so he did, letting out a loud cry and bounding from the ground to fly up to the top of an olive tree when he landed on his knees on a branch that kept shaking … as though a bird were perched on the branch. Padre Giuseppe stayed up there about a half hour …”

Note the use of the word bounding plus the fact that olive trees are typically of low height (described as “short” and “squat” [“Olive” 2017]). Remember too that Joseph was practiced in kneeling for long hours. Besides, bounding upward was one thing, but after coming out of his supposed rapture he had to have help getting down! So the other priest fetched a ladder for the catlike friar…

Commenting on another alleged miracle, Nickell writes:

It is apparent from his movements that he bounded, in increments, onto the altar where he “rested between the candles”—that is, on the support that held them . And there, for the several minutes duration, he was “embracing”—in other words, holding onto—the tabernacle (which contained the Eucharist). He was never simply floating in air, as sources may seem to imply.

In his conclusion, Nickell points to a number of highly suspicious facts about St. Joseph’s levitations, which, taken together, are highly damning:

Not only do the accounts indicate Joseph’s most dramatic aerial traverses were launched by a leap—not by a simple slow rising while merely standing or kneeling (Smith 1965, 49)—but, moreover, I find that they appear to have continued as just the sudden arcing trajectories that would be expected from bounding. They were never circuitous or spiraling flights like a bird’s. Invariably, Joseph’s propulsions began with a shout or scream, suggesting that he was not caused to leap by some force but chose to. Analogous to martial artists who yell when executing some technique (like breaking a board with their hand), his cry may have been to help him focus and commit to the act and so dispel fear. It might also have served to turn all eyes on him. He might have found that if he yelled not when he first started moving but only the instant before he left the ground people would be more likely to think they saw him simply rise up.

Grosso (2016, 80) gushes that the duration of Joseph’s levitations—from only seconds to fifteen or thirty minutes or more of “sustained floating”—“seem to point to the reality of an unrecognized force of nature.” Certainly, he insists, they were “enough to render implausible the claim that they were tricks of perception.” Yet our analysis revealed that Joseph did not hover in the air but, after rapidly ascending, he then rested on some support such as a tree limb or held onto some fixed object such as a statue. In other accounts, such details may have been left out because the narrator was simply relying on his impressions.

Nickell points to one more distorting factor:

There is also the “gross exaggeration” of biographies that were published more than half a century after Joseph’s death. Also, as a practical matter, the original records that led to his canonization are no longer available for study (Smith 1965, 48–49). [He adds in a footnote that Grosso’s most-used source for the levitations is Bernini, whose 1722 text appeared nearly six decades after St. Joseph’s death.]

The miracle I have described above is about the best-documented Catholic miracle in existence. By contrast, we are unable to interview the original twelve apostles. We don’t know how many of them saw and/or heard and/or touched the risen Jesus, in their apparitions.We don’t even know when the risen Jesus appeared, where he appeared, or to whom he appeared, because the Gospel accounts are so divergent.

If the evidence for the various for the veracity of St. Joseph of Cupertino’s miracles turns out to be full of holes, what shall we say about the evidence for the Resurrection? No sworn testimonies. Multiple internal contradictions. Far fewer witnesses and far fewer names.

Now do you see why we need to be cautious about Resurrection apologetics?

I don’t really see a clear parallel here. In this case, there are many witnesses, many of whom have some preset expectation of such a miracle, making them more gullible to misdirection and sleight-of-hand. Can you explain Jesus’ resurrection as a similar sleight-of-hand? Did Jesus stage a fake crucifixion? Of course you can think that it must have been the case that Jesus was a skillful trickster and stage magician ahead of his time, but that would be the perfect example of an ad hoc hypothesis, only plausible because one has extensive prejudice against R.

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Honestly, no @vjtorley. First of all this is not Resurrection apologetics. We are just explaining our understanding of this. You don’t have to agree with us, but it would do well to understand what we are saying first.

Second, it is surprising you can’t see the differences between the Resurrection testimonies and those of the “levitation.” You were convinced by the latter, but I do not think I would have been. You seem to mistaking quantity of testimonies for quality, and glossing over the rest.

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