If Darwin would ask several biologists, he would not have got a reasonable consensus. New directions are often obtained not from within but from without. So, I would request you to respond on merits please.
But you havenât provided any evidence. Youâve provided a prediction of your hypothesis that we can test â namely, that early Israelite pottery will resemble Indus Valley pottery â but you havenât actually tested it. So Iâm not sure how weâre supposed to judge your hypothesisâŚ
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Thereâs also the fact that we already know that early Israelite pottery resembles Canaanite pottery from the period, suggesting that the Israelites were simply an offshoot of Canaanite culture. There is also the problem that the identification between the purported âHebrew-Yadavasâ and the Indus Valley appears considerably less than certain, as there does not appear to be any attestation of the Yadavasâ ancient existence, beyond ancient Indian literature about a legendary period in Indian history.
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Moses did not travel from the Indus Valley, and there are no Hebrew-Yadavas, so your question is absurd.
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Iâm unclear on how this is supposed to work. Were the authors of Exodus confused about geography and so unable to distinguish between Egypt and the Indus Valley?
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He certainly did consult others. âBiologistâ was a newly minted word at the time, so they might have called themselves âNaturalistsâ. Darwin also consulted with geologists including Charles Lyell.
BUT we digress. The question was about pottery and history and is asked in the present. Ask an archaeologist, or consult the archaeology literature.
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@John_Harshman Yes, you are correct about the confusion about geography. I realized how confused people were when I learned that Ptolemy, ruler of the KMT, commissioned 70 Jewish priests to inquire about the location of Mitsrayim.
What caused the confusion, why was it necessary to commission 70 Jewish priests, and how did Mitsrayim get added to the Torah?
Sorry, youâve lost me again. What does Ptolemy have to do with the Kuomintang?
There was a legend propounded by the pseudepigraphical second-century BCE Letter of Aristeas which claimed that the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible was authored by seventy-two inspired Jews (six from each tribe) who were commissioned by Ptolemy II. Eventually this number got reduced down to seventy, so this translation is now known as the Septuagint (LXX). But even if the LXX was written by seventy Jews as the Letter of Aristeas claims, this has nothing to do with the location of Mizraim.
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I think he might be referring to " km.t, a name for ancient Egypt using the hieroglyph Km" [Wikipedia]
I think a citation is needed for this rather bizarre claim.
I would suggest that rather there is frequent confusion over words used to name things â places/animals/etc. Old words fall out of usage, leading to confusion as to their proper interpretation. The Hebrew word reâem is a classic example â being translated in the KJV as âunicornâ.
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Exodus was from mitsrayim. Bible does not say where mitsrayim was located. Seventy priests located it in Egypt because they may have wanted to capture that legacy. Actual mitsrayim may be elsewhere.
Mitsrayim is located in Indus Valley not in (Egypt)
How come Ptolemy was so interested in the Torah?
Iâm confused by you asking about Kuomingtang
online it claims
Kuo¡min¡tang
[ËkwĂ´ËminËtaNG]
DEFINITION
a nationalist party founded in China under Sun Yat-sen in 1912, and led by Chiang Kai-shek from 1925. It held power from 1928 until the Communist Party took power in October 1949 and subsequently formed the central administration of Taiwan.
The timing of Moses was birth at 1525 BCE. So thatâs a different era, or can you tell me more about Kuomingtang?
oh and Moses is same as Krishna
There was conflict because the amount of straw needed when baking bricks.
In Indus Valley they bake bricks using a lot of straw,
Egypt no need for lots of straw because in Egypt build with stone
You mentioned âKMTâ. And if you google that, it goes to web pages about the Kuomintang.
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You have provided no evidence for this claim.
As you have provided no evidence for your â70 Jewish priestsâ claim, we likewise have no evidence that âPtolemy was so interested in the Torahâ.
Given that your âevidenceâ of this seems to only be the sort of parallels that are ubiquitous among myths, you have no solid substantiation for this claim.
They probably baked bricks using straw in a large number of ancient civilisations.
Evidence that the Exodus did not come from the Indus Valley:
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The archeological consensus is that the Exodus did not happen.
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Hebrew is a Northwest Semitic language within the Afroasiatic language family, closely related to other languages of the Near East, such as Canaanite. It is not closely related to the languages of the Indus Valley.
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Early Israelite material culture (pottery, etc) has been found to be indistinguishable from pre-existing Canaanite material culture.
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Moses is widely considered to be a largely mythical character, as there is no evidence of him outside religious tradition. I would also point out that there have been numerous attempts to identify him with historical figures â so Krishna will have to get in line.
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Google problem. The ancient Egyptians called their country kmt. The name misr was first used in 1500 bce.
That seems very unlikely. The folks who wrote Exodus were very familiar with Egypt, since it was right next door. I doubt they would have been confused. And there are geographic problems. Joseph and (eventually) his whole tribe went from somewhere around Palestine to Egypt (or Mitsrayim, if you like) overland. And the Nile is prominently featured too. Then, much later, the Hebrews traveled across the Red Sea and through Sinai to get to their new home. None of this seems compatible with the Indus Valley. Mind you, thereâs no evidence that any of this ever happened, whatever the location.
Your notion that there are no bricks in Egypt is just bizarre. Your notion that two fictional characters, Moses and Krishna, are the same person is bizarre. I donât think youâve thought this through.
The Kuomintang is often abbreviated KMT. Thatâs the only KMT I know of.
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So youâre saying that KMT is an abbreviation for Kitchen Machinery Trading?
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Donât be too literal. It applies to all manufacturing equipment for dairy products.
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I cannot help but noticing that @riversea seems to be devoting all their effort to the extraneous âkmt=Egyptâ issue, rather than substantiating their far more germaine, if bizarre, â70 Jewish priestsâ and " Mitsrayim is located in Indus Valley not in (Egypt)" claims.
Addendum: I would also point out that the second claim assumes a false dichotomy. The choices arenât only âEgyptâ or âIndus Valleyâ, there are also the choices that:
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Mitsrayim is an entirely fictional locality in what is in any case widely believed to be an ahistorical narrative.
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Mitsrayim in the narrative is based upon some locality that is neither in Egypt or the Indus Valley.
(Parenthetically, I would note that the âEgyptâ option also includes the possibility that Mitsrayim existed in Egypt, but merely came to be known by a new name over the centuries.)