Merry Christmas everyone. I hope you had a good one and I hope your year coming is better than this last. That shouldn’t be hard.
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As for the topic. Was this flat earth guy a Religious person? or is it a satirical Book? Lots of Atheists try to mock Christians by writing that sort of stuff.
For the record Job and Psalms mention Dinosaurs a few times describing their size and grandeur. Many Dinosaurs are found only inches under the soil captured in mud or materials from a flood and many times there are shells and other materials suggesting the whole ocean swept over the land. (Dinosaurs generally don’t live in the ocean…)
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As for Christianity, Geology does not disagree with Christianity and a Creation story. There are at least 5 Cataclysmic events I can think of in the early years of mankind I can think of mentioned in the bible and physical evidence on the ground that events happened to wipe out species. I look at the fossil record differently. its not a story of expanding creation. its a story of multiple extinctions and proof of a world filled with volcanic eruptions and meteor showers and floods. And they must have been pretty big to have coal deep in the earth.
What, in the name of God, does atheism have to do with this thread?
No they don’t.
Your opinion is totally worthless in the face of the gobs of evidence against it.
Someone is on what Americans call Kool-Aid.
2 posts were merged into an existing topic: Eric Dubay and the paleontology conspiracy
Dinosaurs are not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. Fantastic creatures appear in folklore from all cultures. There is no reason to believe that the ancient Hebrews were any different. Leviathan appears in Ugaritic texts, where it is described as a twisting serpent with seven heads. Also Leviathan is clearly described as a sea creature in the Bible. However the ancients did discover fossilized dinosaur bones, didn’t know what they were and so they assumed they were the remains of a race of giants. That is exactly where the biblical notion of giants came from. If dinosaur bones were only a few thousand years old DNA could be extracted from them.
What are these five cataclysmic events mentioned on the Bible? Name 'em and claim 'em.
Then you’ll never understand it, looking through religious blinders.
Do you even know what coal is? It was formed millions of years before the dinosaurs existed. It’s plants that were once alive which is why it’s called fossil fuel.
Here we go Quotes from the bible about Dinosaurs. :
Isaiah 27:1
1 In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
Job 40:15-18
15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
( the description goes on in chapter 41)
Genesis 1:21
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Psalm 74:13-14
13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.
14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.
As far as extracting DNA. I think the most successful efforts are extraction from frozen corpses. Dinosaurs are found close to the surface not way down in the sedimentary layers. However there have been some DNA from dinosaurs there has to be otherwise any attempt to connect a bird to Dinosaurs through DNA to put them in a tree of life would be a fraud, a hoax.
Put your hand on the TV and confess your healing. LoL.
Other than the creation of the earth itself the first major event seen by the sedimentary layers is plate tectonics. When the Continents were pulled up out of the sea separating the land from the waters. I think that happened by the Pacific being pushed down Not the Atlantic. And this can be seen by the layers in the grand canyon first the ones set on edge and then the sediment after the fact
2) The next was the Global Flood. those layers in the grand staircase take you to the KT boundary. That is seen in also by the many impact craters and a glut of water being added to the planet and an expansion of the South pole leaving things unstable.
3) The days of Peleg talked about in Genesis 10 when the earth divided. This appears to be the time when The continents were divided creating a much larger Atlantic ocean changing the shape of the globe from a chubby cigar shape to a globe/pear shape. dropping the Antarctic and creating a short Northern Ice age overlapping the events that happened during the global flood. You can see that from the contents of of glacial till in Canada and other northern countries.
4) In there some where is Sodom and Gomorrah Seen by the Dead sea, Yellowstone park and other obvious scars on our modern world.
5) Moses crossing the red sea (the sea of Aqaba) There is upheavals and in those few years there are a lot of volcanoes going off and that can be seen from the obvious scars and tectonic shifts and uplift there for moses to cross the water on dry ground. There is uplift there and in several other parts of the world that are very recent and Saudi Arabia and India likely shifted east.
Sort of like what will happen when California falls into the ocean. It could literally shift and the pressure of the Pacific plate wanting to slide under the north American Plate may cause it to to a barrel roll taking off the underside of California allowing billions of gallons of sea water to enter causing an explosion freeing up the plates to shift causing the Atlantic rift to open creating more explosions of steam and vibration felt across the whole world possibly lifting North America inches a year for 10 or 20 years till it settles.
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The KT boundary happened after the Meteor hit after other meteors hit after volcanoes opened up. That layer was the end of the flood. And the whole world experienced it. These events are much larger than people grasp. You just don’t slide continents around or uplift land without the dishes shaking. People record it.
Genesis 7:11
1 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Genesis 10:25
25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan.
Exodus 14:21
21 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
Exodus 20:18
18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
Psalm 18:7
7 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.
Haggai 2:6
6 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land
AND when Jesus was crucified.
Matthew 27:51
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split
I found this just for you. It mentions Dinosaur bones having DNA… the flood the KT boundary and what I had said weeks ago about the Dinosaur bones being down a bit in the rock layers. Its funny I never saw this video or knew their views on the subject. Turns out I am not the only one that sees the obvious.
The word “whales” in your translation actually is the word for sea creatures. Dinosaurs were not known to exist until 1842 so those passages could not be about dinosaurs. The Hebrews had no word for dinosaurs. The Bible also mentions dragons, a cockatrice, a satyr (half man and half horse) fiery serpents, witches, unicorns, goat demons… Not only that the Bible gets so many things wrong about animals we do know exist, it can’t be taken seriously on matters of nature by any rational person.
Creationists will always say that “dragon” doesn’t really mean “dragon,” that “cockatrice” doesn’t really mean “cockatrice,” that “satyr” doesn’t mean “satyr,” that fiery serpent" doesn’t really mean “fiery serpent,” that “witch” doesn’t mean “witch” and that “unicorn” doesn’t mean “unicorn.” Creationists just dismiss all Bible absurdities as metaphors and pretend that nothing in the Bible really conflicts with science. In the newer, English translations of the Bible, these ridiculous passages of Scripture have been dishonestly removed or rewritten beyond recognition from the translation in the King James Version. So not only are the creationists forsaking long-honored and long-held Christian beliefs, but the Bible itself is experiencing a quiet, behind-the-scenes, Hollywood Makeover as well.
Where’d you get that bit of nonsense? Ron Wyatt? The biomolecules you’re talking about have nothing to do with dinosaurs or even with the Cretaceous period, a period you don’t even believe existed. They come from modern microbes and this was demonstrated in a peer-reviewed scientific paper. Now what reason would scientists have to perpetuate a fraud or hoax, you know like Ron Wyatt did so many times? The list of creationist and Christian hoaxes is a mile long and two miles deep.
I thought birds were shown to be a variety of dinosaur due to anatomy.
I’m trying to ignore, but some things can’t be allowed to pass.
They are not. Most successful efforts at ancient DNA come from bones and teeth.
Dinosaurs are found in Mesozoic rocks where they are exposed through erosion. They’re close to the surface only because it’s hard to look at deeply buried sediments, but there’s no reason to think the same formations far underground do not contain fossils.
There are no such attempts, and there has been no dinosaur DNA extraction except in Jurassic Park, which I should probably inform you is fictional.
If you read Isaiah 34. I think you will find the single mention of this creature. The unicorn is in there as well. But look at the context. This event hasn’t happened yet. Its a end time prophecy. Its very possible that some genetics are done in the next few years with sheep or horses and humans to produce such a species. Its a scary thought.
As for the Dinosaur it was mentioned just named different. If we decide to name fish water breathers starting today we could say they were never mentioned in the bible.
The fact is Several large animals the Leviathan and Behemoth and Dragon are mentioned. We now have fossils to prove they existed. We call them Dinosaurs and a list of other names. The bible named a few of them first.
Science is by its nature always behind. They never invent what isn’t they just measure and prod what is already existing or play with what is existing.
The crucifixion of Jesus is a fictional event with, like everything else in the synoptic gospels and Acts, a parallel in the Iliad and the Odyssey:
The Death of Hector and the Crucifixion of Jesus
Iliad — Mark 15:21-41
Iliad: The audience already knows Achilles will kill Hector.
Mark: The audience already knows the Romans, at the behest of the Jewish leaders, will kill Jesus.
Iliad: Apollo’s beloved Hector had evaded death several times.
Mark: God’s beloved Son Jesus, had evaded death several times.
Iliad: Hector’s troops fled Troy and left Hector to face his enemies alone.
Mark: Jesus’ disciples fled Jerusalem and left Jesus face his enemies alone.
Iliad: Zeus had passed judgment that Hector must die. Achilles taunted Hector
Mark: Pilate had passed judgment that Jesus must die. The soldiers taunted Jesus .
Iliad: Hector called his brother Deiphobus for help, but he had disappeared.
Mark: Some in the crowd thought Jesus was calling to Elijah for help.
Iliad: Hector accepted his fate because the gods had forsaken him.
Mark: Jesus accepted his fate but asked why God had forsaken him.
Iliad: Hector’s soul went to Hades. Dante considered Hector to be one of the few truly virtuous Pagans and so in The Inferno Dante wrote that Hector was in Limbo rather than Hell.
Mark: Jesus gave a loud shout and died.
Iliad: The Trojans mourned Hector as though Troy had been destroyed “from top to bottom.”
Mark: Jesus’ death foreshadowed the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple; the veil was rent “from top to bottom.”
Iliad: Achilles bragged that he had just slain the one the Trojans considered a god.
Mark: The centurion bragged that he had just killed he who was “truly” the son of God.
Iliad: The women of Troy watched Hector’s death from their walls.
Mark: The women watched Jesus’ crucifixion and death from a distance.
None of those five things occurred. The planet wasn’t created in six or seven days, (a careful reading of the story shows that God rested on the eighth day). Noah never existed, people never lived 600- 900 years, and the global flood did not happen. There was no Tower of Babel, no confusion of the languages and no Nimrod. The names Sodom and Gomorrah are eponymous, they’re not real places, they did not exist and neither did any of the characters in the story. Who turned around to see that Lot’s wife turned around? The Israelites were never in Egypt and Moses, like Adam, Samson, Jesus and the disciples, Solomon, Joshua is a solar character, he wasn’t a real person. O for 5 my man.
Oh really? Are they going to use genetics to create demons as well? Isaiah also mentions Adam’s first wife, Lillith. Do you think science will reincarnate her as well? The passages in Isaiah are an example judgment language which, like the rest of the Bible, is not to be taken literally.
Behind what? The Bible which says the earth is flat, covered by a dome and rests on pillars? Sure.
I never said the planet was created in 6 or 7 days. Unlike Big Bang Theory, I do not believe in spooky action that invents the whole universe in a matter of seconds. Inflation would not allow for all the alpha particles to fill the space a few seconds would provide. A Black hole would form. Some theorize that it would have to happen in a progressive way at just the right speed otherwise a universe wouldn’t form if things expanded to fast above a escape velocity but if to slow would become a black hole. Any way you slice it the theory of the Big Bang is Debunked. Based on Red shift its more likely that magnetic flux from star light interferes with light from stars traveling toward us causing a red shift in the same way light is interfered with when traveling through water. It slows down.
I never proposed a instantaneous earth. The bible doesn’t either. It leave a lot out and gives a few points. Some points several times.
And Yes, I did forget that Earthquake and the Eclipse that happened. That would have made people watching his death feel spooky. It doesn’t necessarily prove he was the son of God as they claimed but the coincidence sure did give the appearance. Muslims 700 years later invent a theory that it wasn’t the real Jesus Crucified… That he did not die on the cross but you see the problem with their argument. Like yours, you were not there to contest the written material with a alternate story.
You are back with your cut and bast satire. Garbage like that is not historical or scientific. Its Bigotry dressed up.
You do know I have read the bible so many times that if you had put scripture in it I would have known exactly where to find it. You changing the text significantly to make it fit means it does not fit. And several supposed links don’t even have a remote relationship to each other. like saying: Mark:Jesus was on a donkey. vs. lliad :Jerry Springer drives a car.
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This is TROLL behavior based on Bigotry and has no place in a honest society. presenting false information as true knowing you are doing it to harm someones faith who may not know the bible or history well is a Evil this site should not Tolerate.
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Its one thing for this site not to have anyone to argue effectively for E=mc2 its another for someone to intentionally argue falsehoods to hurt people.
What Mental state are you referring too. Moderators would have removed my comment if I made that to you. Please explain your diagnosis or benefit of speaking to me that way. Its one thing to paint a wide brush not implicating you specifically, but you directly say I have a Mental State you need to have sympathy for? This might not be the exact scientific term the Moderators would use but I think it would apply. “back the hell up.”