The bible is historical record. Luke does say that he was not a eye witness but was paid to put together an account. that is what a historian is. You put more faith in Plato that doesn’t even speak in the first person and believes in child sacrifice of children that were born from the guardians if they were over 55 and that no child of a guardian should be of a family but raised by everyone so no one knows who kid is whos.
People read a tiny bit of Plato and do not realize he is delusional Its clear he stole information from the bible and tries to argue it. but as he goes on he talks about women being no better than horses but equal except inferior and the lower class people also inferior and their children should also be put away.
You say the biblical writers speaking of immorality and Righteous living were written in by frauds hundreds of years later to create a false history but you fully believe believe Plato is properly placed in History and Bible writers stole his work about the 10 commandments.
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Its a set up. I set you up. You believe a half crazy person but impute evil on righteous people. It reminds me of the scripture, and of Hillary clinton and what gaslighting is.
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Isaiah 5:20-21
King James Version
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
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Its so interesting… Hillary Clinton hired Russians to lie and create a false narrative about. Trump. Saying Trump was colluding with Russian when it was actually Hillary that was. And The whole nation believed it. the FBI spied and the whole matter eventually came out. The Durham investigation is digging deeper and deeper getting people to roll, reviewing evidence.
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You are doing the same. You say that Christians are a fraud when in actual fact you are. The documents are there. the Temple, the mountains the literature, the cultures, the early church writers the false religions after like muslims who even try and flip the script like you yourself are trying to do.
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What evil in your heart has led you to such a task. May God tear it out of you. As Jesus would say to the evil, Come out of him.
When some people talk about the Ten Commandments that they would like to see posted in public places such courthouses, federal buildings and adult book stores, we can assume they are referring to either the Exodus 20:1-17 version or the version in Deuteronomy 5:6-21. While these two versions are similar, they have some important differences not the least of which is how the Bible says they were received. In Exodus Moses brought the tablets to Israel during the first few months of the Exodus (Exod 19:10-25). In Deuteronomy Moses gave the Israelites the tablets forty years later in the vicinity of Mt. Horeb (Deut 4:44-48). Anyone who has read the Bible carefully would notice that. Once again you prove you’ve never read the Bible.
To understand Israelite law, one should first place it in the context of other Near Eastern laws. In probable chronological order the collections known to us, with their approximate dates, locales and numbers of laws are as follows:
Ur-Namma Code, 2040-2027, from Sumerian Ur, 22 laws.
Bilalama Code, 1930, from Akkadian Eshunna; 59 laws.
Lipit- Ishtar Code, 1864-1854, from Sumerian Isin; Approximately 18 laws.
Hammurabi Code, 1728-1636, from Amorite Babylon; 282 laws.
Hittite Laws, 1400-1200, from Hattusa; 200 laws.
Middle Assyrian laws, 1114-1076, from Ashur; 116 laws.
Neo-Babylonian Laws, 626-539, from Babylon; 9 laws. Ð2
All of these collections predate the Israelite laws. So, the biblical writers had plenty of source material besides Plato. “The Ten Commandments in their proper historical context are a revolutionary manifesto, dedicated to the overthrow of traditional authority and religion…a ‘Declaration of Independence of Liberated Israel’ [from Egypt, not the Pharaoh - the Ptolemaic dominance (312-198)]…They commend atheism in regard to religion of the gods and anarchism in respect to the laws of the kings…YHWH is not a god in the sense of the surrounding society…Even an image of YHWH is forbidden - the only image of YHWH is humanity (Genesis 1:26)…The Ten Commandments rejected a society that claimed power of life and death (‘You shall not kill’)…The commandment against stealing is not about property…These commandments are condemnations of the powerful who invaded households to steal concubines and slaves.”
Take your pick people.
Again you are lying about the 10 commandments. I literally wear the scripture verse on my shirts. both Deuteronomy 6:4-8 and Exodus 20. And Deuteronomy refers to the 10 commandments as received when they first came from Egypt. Re-Read the text.
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Stop Spreading Lies.
“The Lord God made a covenant with us at Horeb. Not with our ancestors did the Lord make this covenant, but with us who here alive today.” That could not be any clearer to anyone with even basic reading and comprehension skills. You either don’t possess such skills or you are lying, or both. I can see what you did. You quickly looked for the Ten Commandments in Deuteronomy just now and saw Moses talking to the people in chapter 6 and assumed those are the passages that contained the Commandments without double checking. FYI those commandments are in chapter 5 not 6 and you would know that had you ever seen them before today.
Exodus 3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
Where does Finkelstein and Silberman’s The Bible Unearthed fit?
Finkelstein is a respected scholar. The book seems to have been well- received.
interesting Archeological finds mention like Sennacherib’s Annals. I wish every bit of these finds were in a list. Those are two that I never saw before.
Honest scholarship welcomed this book. It’s not been well-received by religious fundamentalists or Bible historicists like the people who argue with me on this site. There’s really not much of a difference between the two. There are the people who believe every word of the Bible is true and historical, Adam and Eve were real people, Moses, Jesus existed etc. Then there’s this crowd which basically believes the same about the Bible except that the stories have been exaggerated over time, but all the major figures actually existed. And they defend these views with ferocity, because they have no facts. Another book is Mythic Past, Biblical Archaeology and the Myth of Israel by Thomas Thompson. The author gives ample proof that the nations of Israel and Judah as described in the Bible never existed. He goes in to quite a bit of detail showing how we know the Tel Dan inscription is just another Christian fake.
These books are about the history of the real ancient Israel and needless to say compared to the Bible there isn’t much to talk about. They don’t delve into the basis for the biblical narratives such as Homer, astronomy, the myths of Dionysus and so on. Even so the people on this site will not accept their findings. They’d have to retract so much of what they’ve already said.
I would suggest that you aren’t paying close attention, as many–probably most–of the people arguing with you here are clearly neither religious fundamentalists nor Bible historicists.
Pointing to one or two that fit those categories won’t refute this.
No one here knows the true education or wisdom of a person or their depth of reading of another posting on this site.
I think its obvious most think less of the other than they could or should and in some cases assume a title and its worth. Some times those titles are worth what paper they are written on and some times they are not.
I for one have learned 10 times more after “higher education” and still feel I am as dumb as punch. There is just to much to know.
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As for fundamentalism, the brother of Conservatism, I see no cause to leave it. We are all fundies until we learn more and then we are then fundamentalists over that. And I see no reason why being a Religious fundamentalist would have anyone reject his findings because they seem to support a Jewish/christian/Theocratic center to History.
I have had other conversations with these people before. Every one of them believes Jesus existed. Where’d they get that idea may I ask? They didn’t get it from actual evidence or the historical record. They got it from the Bible and nowhere else. That’s a biblical historicist. Your statement is refuted.
That’s quite a goalpost move. Merely believing that Jesus existed is a long way from where you had originally planted them at:
Are you admitting that you were wrong? Have you ever admitted being wrong about anything?
I neither planted or moved a goalpost. A Christian who doesn’t understand how to identify or use a metaphor. Why am I not surprised? Now that Jesus mythicism is rapidly becoming the prevailing viewpoint, especially in Europe where all this Jesus nonsense really started, there’s a word for people who believe in an historical Jesus. They’re called Jesus historicists. That means they think at least part of the Bible is historical. That would be the people who argue with me on this site. I predict in ten years or less this is a label no one will want to be branded with. All the Jesus people can go hide in the closet like they forced so many unbelievers to do for well over a thousand years.
Oh, I’m sorry. I thought you were the guy who claims to be a retired minister. There, I was wrong.
You did both.
You’re moving the goalposts because you are calling people who clearly state that they don’t believe either way historicists. You’re grossly misrepresenting the positions of those who disagree with you because you can never prove a negative.
Semantics: Where people retreat when they’ve lost a debate.
Damn, it’s hard to be on your side. Overstating a case is what fundamentalists do.
You might want to look in the mirror.
Semantics is precisely what you are doing with your phony labeling of who don’t believe either way as historicists:
What does that have to do with the fact (or view) that Jesus is an allegory for the sun and not a real person?