Evolution, Biologos, and the Classroom

Isn’t this a context where the exclamation “Swish! Nothing but net!” is appropriate?

[Please excuse the perpetual linguist in me. I’m fascinated by the dynamism of modern English language.]

That’s not pointing. Please point me to the language on religious neutrality.

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Send me all of your government contracts and I will point them out. :sunglasses:

Let’s go with the standard NIH R01. Everything is online.

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Religious Neutrality is all over the NIH Grant Policy guide. I did a search on Religious Neutrality in the guide and it can up with over a 1000 times.

That’s disturbing.

I only found one mention of “religious” and one of “religion.”

https://grants.nih.gov/grants/policy/nihgps/HTML5/introduction.htm

Your search for “neutrality” returned 0 result(s).

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Here is the search results on the law regarding government neutrality on religion. It also applies to race and sex and national origins. If you think you can NOT be neutral on religion when recieving a NIH grant, please let me know how you can favor one religion over another or over no religion in work on an NIH grant.

https://search.usa.gov/search?affiliate=grants.nih.gov&commit=Search&page=1&query=religion&utf8=✓

Patrick, I’m baffled by your position. It sounds like you are conflating mention of religion (and teaching about societal implications of religious positions on science education) with favoring a religion in an Establishment Clause violation.

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My position is quite clear and so is the law (in the US). An employee of a government agency is required to be neutral on religion. That employee can’t give the appearance that they are favoring one religion over another or religion over non-religion.

That doesn’t support your claim at all, Patrick.

It’s the same thing in every grant opportunity announcement. It has nothing to do with the activity you’re screeching so loudly about. It places no restrictions on any religious activity of the grantee, just that s/he may not discriminate on the basis of religion in choosing employees or research subjects.

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Ann Van Dordrecht isn’t doing either in her Biologos essay. You’re moving the goalposts.

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I never said it places any restrictions on any religious activity of the grantee, they have freedom to practice there religion as they wish. I am talking about when a teacher, police officer, or mayor askes for God’s blessing in doing their job. They are favoring thier God over everyone else’s God or over those who have no God(s).

Ann Van Dordrecht is favoring Christians (and her brand of Christianity) in reassuring Christian students that you can accept evolution and be a good Christian. How much more biased can one be? And what about the athiest kid in the classroom? He accepts evolution but he doesn’t have a God to keep him warm and safe at night. How many non-Christian websites has she posted on? Any Jewish ones? Muslim website? Athiest boards? Secular Science websites? How about NCSE?

Ann Van Dordrecht is not doing that on Biologos.

I don’t see how that “favors” Christians. I would think it would help all students.

A whole lot more!!!

Don’t you think that’s a good thing? And why does the atheist kid necessarily accept evolution?

I think you need to put those goalposts down.

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Then she should be putting out this message to all religious websites, including atheist ones, secular science ones even Ken Ham’s AiG as well as NCSE.

So you are once again insisting that the government should be able to dictate what an employee does on their outside-of-work hours (and not merely avoiding actions which may confuse the public about governmental endorsement of the employee’s personal opinions.) That is Constitutionally absurd.

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I’m very confident that Ham would not give her the time of day.

Where is it written that she would need to send the same thing to different places?

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Yes, that’s getting a little too close to fascism or communism, or any other kind of tyranny to be honest, for comfort.

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A third of the population and a near half of milliellials who are now having children don’t have a faith. They go to school to learn about science. Why should these kids need to hear about or time be wasted on pandering to those Christian kids who get indoctrinated by their parents and church that evolution is somehow against their religion? Teachers and administrators in the public school system have a responsibility to teach science not to reverse the damage being done by parents and churches.

I am completely anti-fascism and anti-communism as well as anti-tyranny. I am closest to a Bernie Sander’s Socialist with American Capitalism rolled in. Sort of like a rich Bobby Kennedy liberal.