Gauger: Alternate Reading Frames Unlike Human Design

Some people say the same thing about a globe Earth and the Bible. They even made t-shirts:

Cheap, ineffective diversion. How about taking a stab at the issue at hand. I have put it right above in quotes. What do you think of theistic evolutionists?

@T_aquaticus seems to like Christians that affirm evolutionary science just fine.

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How would this purpose be incorporated into evolution? Are you in favor of the cosmic pool shot or the occasional direct intervention?

I’ll agree we can see evolution (for sufficiently scientific values of ā€œseeā€) but how do we see God’s design? How can we distinguish it from non-design?

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I lean toward the cosmic pool shot, personally, but I wouldn’t be shocked if a critical nucleotide substitution took place here or there. I fully understand how this evidence-less conjecture can drive a scientist bonkers, but I find it reasonable to accept the possibility of a reality beyond the physical realm.

This is a very reasonable question from a scientific standpoint. I cannot offer physical proof of God and His design, but I believe that looking at the whole of nature (including the existence of the universe itself) is suggestive of a Creator behind it all.

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I don’t believe a cosmic pool shot is physically possible, given quantum randomness, but on the rest we can just agree that there can be no evidence for or against. I’ll go with Occam’s razor, you go with faith.

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Fair enough, but would a Creator that brought everything from the smallest subatomic particle into being really be flummoxed by quantum randomness?

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Not flummoxed, but unable to get what he wants. The pool shot is the setting of initial conditions. But quantum events can’t be predicted from initial conditions. Even if he knows what events will happen, through his omniscience, he can’t set up conditions so as to produce the results he wants, only a very broad spectrum of results, all of which could follow from the same initial state. Thus if he wants a result, he will have to intervene at various points.

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Do you have any experience with God’s special providence in your life?

You neglect (not really, but don’t account for) the fact that he is either atemporal or omnitemporal. (I tend toward thinking the latter.) In any case, it’s a mystery that we cannot wrap our minds around. (Funny that we can’t comprehend his infinitudes. :slightly_smiling_face: We can apprehend some of them, a little.) And I love it, how he intervenes in my life, pool shot or otherwise, but it is dynamic and predetermined at the same… time. Our tensed language and minds cannot fathom his timelessness, or timefulness.

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@jongarvey introduced me to a term I was unfamiliar with with respect to God’s providence, namely his divine concurrence. Meant primarily in the sense of God’s will concurring to processes or events happening, if I’m understanding correctly, it also works in the sense of the concurrent timing of events, correlating to my terms co-instants or co-instance(s), aka special providence. I also find the term hypernatural miracle to be useful, as has been mentioned before.

I have no problem with that possibility, either.

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Interesting

Notice the tensed language, limited to progressive sequential time – ā€œhe will have toā€¦ā€, future perfect tense.

That’s not a criticism, just a fact – it’s the only language we have to use.

…at various points in time.

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Randomness is not a problem. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Yes, I also enjoy adjective noun.

You have an interesting usage of ā€œfactā€ there.

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How’s this?: :slightly_smiling_face:

ā€œYou neglect (not really, but don’t account for) that he is either atemporal or omnitemporal.ā€

Sorry, but deleting the word doesn’t take out the assertion.

It looks like other people are answering for you. Apparently you are fine with that. However, if I have you ID’ed correctly, you are an atheist or agnostic and I believe evolutionists of your variety have real trouble with theistic evolution. But I can only guess because apparently you wish to remain silent. Should we read something into your silence? Who knows.