My question was in the past tense. Your answer - in question form - is in the present. And that precisely identifies the difference between me as a creationist and the theistic evolutionist. For me, creation has ended and now
God is upholding all things by the word of his power (ref the Bible)
Contrast the theistic evolution who says “God is still creating”. False. God is only upholding, not creating. He is not using evolution to create. Creation has ended.
Big difference. Important difference.
Ann G’s reference to me is past tense - God created it at one point in the past. He did not cause it to evolve over time.
So I used a lot of words but maybe did not answer your question?
Answer is No, he is not presently involved to the degree that you question requires.
Here is the better way to ask it
Do you think that if we find a natural explanation for a phenomenon this means God was not involved?
Answer: Yes, God was involved in the past. And now, as he continues to uphold his creation, you are - or rather, the theistic evolutionist - is mistaking his upholding for his creating.
This will clear it up. “God’s design” is a fixed creation event in the past. This idea stands in direct opposition to TE which says God is creating today using evolution.
The first occurrence of lightning would have been a natural phenomenon based on out of balance chemical reactions also based on smaller particles designed by God following fundamental physical laws designed by God. But you know all this.
What are you really asking?
It’s not hard to see where you are headed with this. Since yes, of course, I believe that Jesus and his disciples worked creative miracles - and yes I have personally witnessed creative miracles today - you want me to affirm that Jesus also caused all life to have arisen due to a long-ago single-celled organism…
I will absolutely not go there with you. And I will also tell you that in your haste to go there, you have erred.
Why do you find that concept so disturbing? Do you not believe that God could create a universe where he designs the laws of physics in such a way that life appears and evolves? Why do you limit God’s sovereignty and omniscience?
You mean like so many Young Earth Creationists go beyond what is written? Do you mean like you go beyond what is written
We’ve asked you the same question many times but you haven’t provided an answer.
Indeed, just minutes ago I asked you that same question on another thread when you went way beyond the limits of scripture by claiming that each of the six days of creation in Genesis involved “out of nothing” (ex nihilo) creation. (See Creationism and materialism - #7 by AllenWitmerMiller )
“Pot, meet kettle.”
POSTSCRIPT: Is a scientist who explains the action of chlorophyll going “beyond the limits” of the scriptures which only speak of the plants of the field? Is a cardiologist going “beyond the limits” by describing the detailed anatomy of the heart rather than calling the heart deceitful above all things? Evolutionary biology is just explaining what God created “each after its own kind.” (Indeed, if a male and female pair of animals ever produced offspring which were not very similar to the parents, that would be powerful evidence against the Theory of Evolution.)
