How to Describe Swamidass

[Patrick]

@Mung

@swamidass does not deny special divine action in creation and ought not be lumped in with those who do. Joshua affirms creation, and agrees with small i small d intelligent design

@Mung STOP SPEAKING FOR @swamidass

[gbrooks9 (George)]

@Mung

Joshua affirms creation, and agrees with small i small d intelligent design. God designed Mt. Everest.

@Mung

Absolutely right.

But there has got to be a better way to say it than to say:

@swamidass is “id”… small i, small d.

[nwrickert (Neil Rickert)]

@gbrooks9

But there has got to be a better way to say it than to say:

@swamidass is “id”… small i, small d.

How about:

@swamidass is a theist.

[swamidass (S. Joshua Swamidass)]

@gbrooks9

But there has got to be a better way to say it than to say:

@swamidass is “id”… small i, small d.

I like it. Why not?

[swamidass (S. Joshua Swamidass)]

@swamidass

So, if you are interested, I can explain what the current frameworks are and why they are not sensible. I can explain the framework I have been using, and how secular scientists and other Christian scientists have responded to it.

If we go down this path, I’m hoping that we can keep focused on understanding this first, before we go elsewhere. That means keeping responses short, and questions on task, until I get out the bulk of this. Perhaps it would be better if I started another thread? What do you think? Should I go on, or save it for later?

@Jordan

Yes, yes, yes!

I am very interested in this. I think this is a big deal, especially for the Church and emerging adults. I know a lot of scientists aren’t crazy about philosophy but I think there are some real areas of conflict that arise from this lack of sensible framework.

@Mlkluther

Please go on. This may help me put a few more of the puzzle pieces together I have floating around.

Seems there is interest in this, but it is getting swallowed up by a far more wordy dialogue between @Chris_Falter and @Eddie. I am going to start a new thread to discuss this. This new thread will have some rules that I expect everyone to follow.

[Djordje]

@swamidass

I like it. Why not?

There was another Christian scientist who said: “I believe in small id, but not in the scientific theory of capital ID.”

What was his name again?

[swamidass (S. Joshua Swamidass)]

@Patrick

@swamidass does not deny special divine action in creation and ought not be lumped in with those who do. Joshua affirms creation, and agrees with small i small d intelligent design

@Mung STOP SPEAKING FOR @swamidass

In general you are absolutely right @Patrick. In this case, it may not have been off topic, and only required a small edit to have correct. @Mung sometimes is throwing wrenches, but I don’t think this was a case.

The bigger problem is that I am hard to describe. People are trying to make sense of me, and I’m not really fitting the standard categories. It is probably better we work some of this out in the forum, where i will have input in to helping people understand where I am actually coming from.

The general rules for representing me other threads are:

1. Do not present me in a way that is likely to rile people up. I’m controversial enough on my own. I don’t need anyones help.

2. Do not speak on my behalf, ever, unless I have explicitly asked you to do so.

3. Understand that word choice is important to me because I am navigating a minefield with several different groups with conflicting orientations towards me. You might see it from one or two points of view, but I’m navigating more than just this.

4. Do not make my life more difficult than it already is.

[Mung]

@Djordje

What was his name again?

I believe you are thinking of Owen Gingerich.

@Patrick

@Mung STOP SPEAKING FOR @swamidass

Chill out. Didn’t you watch the Gauger - Swamidass video? I was merely repeating what he said in that video.

[Djordje]

@Mung

I believe you are thinking of Owen Gingerich

Yep, thanks.

[Mung]

@Patrick

Mung STOP SPEAKING FOR swamidass

Any plans to also yell at people who are speaking for Ann Gauger?

[Jordan (Jordan Mantha)]

@Mung

Mung STOP SPEAKING FOR swamidass

Any plans to also yell at people who are speaking for Ann Gauger?

Touché @Mung

In general, I try to say something like “I think so and so might say …” etc. to indicate that I am trying to reflect the persons thoughts, but only as far as I’m rightly understanding them. I’m not trying to be their mouthpiece or spokesperson.