Forum Disclaimer


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This the Peaceful Science Forum, which is hosted by Dr. S. Joshua Swamidass MD PhD, a professor at Washington University in Saint Louis. See his scientific work here: http://swami.wustl.edu/.

Dr. Swamidass affirms mainstream science, including evolutionary science, the common descent of all living things (including humans), methodological naturalism (though I think it’s incorrectly named), and an old earth.

He opposes political action to change science curricula, and is a frequent and visible critic of Intelligent Design and scientific creationism. Agreeing with the non-theist Eugenie Scott, he argues science is silent on God’s action, and cannot properly consider theological claims, like the existence or action of God.

He also places a high value on building bridges, and kindness to others, which should not be mistaken for an endorsement of any claims. Dr. Swamidass is also a Christian. He confesses, along with other scientists, that Jesus rose from the dead. For this reason, he is sensitive to the concerns of religious communities. He encourages presenting scientific findings in a theologically-neutral manner so as to reduce unnecessary conflict, so as to better advance understanding of scientific findings in the public square.

An Open Forum

This is an open forum where everyone polite is welcome to engage with the grand questions of origins. The ideas expressed in this forum cover a wide range of topics, including a wide range of beliefs. This conversation will include ID an SC advocates, and anti-religious advocates too. Dr. Swamidass, for obvious reasons, does not endorse most things said by others on this forum. He also does not have time to directly refute every statement with which he disagrees.

There is value in free exchange of ideas, so that legitimate questions can be addressed, and real concerns uncovered. For this reason, there will not be restrictions against posting heterodox ideas on this forum, even if they are strongly disputed and disagreed with by the host. This means there will be arguments against mainstream science on this forum, even if the host disagrees with them.

Debating Science

Arguments on the internet between non-professionals rarely (if ever) have bearing on how mainstream science progresses. This is just not how science works.

Science is not intuitive. It is very mathematical and technical. Science requires very careful adherence to specific logical rules and standards. There are a multitude of rhetorically strong points (that convince the crowds) that are totally false scientifically. The rules and conclusions of mainstream science, for this reason, are not going to be altered by public debate or consensus.

Do not mistake this as an “appeal to authority.” Science can certainly be wrong. At times it is. Even when it is right, science’s certainty and scope are sharply limited. If you feel the need, go ahead and disagree with science. You might even be right. Just remember that public debate by non-professionals very rarely affects scientific opinion, and internet forums and politics are not an effective way to change science.

If you must dispute mainstream science, it is not our aim to change your mind. Rather, we hope that you might understand what you reject, and that, perhaps, we might understand you too. We might also find ways to see how your most deeply held beliefs are not threatened.

Disagreeing in Community

This is an uncommon sort of community. We hope to find substantial common ground in our common questions, the grand questions, rather than in common answers.

Everyone is welcome here, even if we disagree strongly with your point of view. What ever your view on origins, the questions themselves can be our place of common ground. The community we hope to build here is not contingent on agreement or adherence to regulated consensus.

We live in a fractured society. The divides in society are deep and unhealthy. Most of us do not engage with those with whom we disagree. We struggle to treat others fairly across the divides. We cannot heal these fractures in society at large, but we want to build something different here.


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Umm. I think this one could benefit from some work as well. I am just not as sure what you are going for. The first sentence is a bit awkward. Is that a list of questions you hope to answer for people here?


#4

Removed it. Thanks for the feedback.


#5

Naturalism. Affirmative? Does that cause fractured societies (plural)?


#6

Huh? Lost me there.


#7

2nd paragraph, affirming naturalism. 12th paragraph, plural, not singular needed for that ‘we,’ fella. :wink:


#8

Are you sensitive to the concerns of ALL religious communities, or just the various Christian communities? Are you sensitive to the “nones” which may be the majority of your students soon?


#9

Yup that’s the plan. I just quoted a Hindu parable in the other thread :slight_smile:


#10

This cuts both ways. Are you against the science study of gender? NCSE?


#11

Lol. You really want me to be a bigot don’t you. Just watch how I treat people and see.


#12

“Are you sensitive to the ‘nones’?”

ROTFL! Snowflakes might be hurt if nothing and no one special is insulted. :rofl:

“may be the majority…soon”

How green.

“Yup, that’s the plan.”

Sometimes sensitive is not sensible. Right, Joshua? & sensible might come before over-sensitive.


#13

I think he is either trying to trap me, or just be sure I’ll be fair. I will be fair. I have no difficulty saying that.


#14

No, I am watching your back! You are so focused in the view in front of you that you are forgetting that your backside is fully exposed.

Once you link yourself to the Evangelical Christian right, you become an easy target from the secular left.

I don’t want to see you pillaged, because you really are a nice guy. And a good scientist with a good career ahead of you.


#15

Thanks for the kind words.

If the secular crowds do come for me, with pitchforks demanding a scalp, I’ll have to trust that atheists like you and my other colleagues will defend me.

I’m only hoping we can serve the common good together.


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6 posts were split to a new topic: Ken Ham’s Adam and Eve


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I wanted to quote the main points from @swamidass’ Forum Disclaimer:

This the Peaceful Science Forum, which is hosted by Dr. S. Joshua Swamidass MD PhD, a professor at Washington University in Saint Louis. See his scientific work here: http://swami.wustl.edu/.

Dr. Swamidass affirms mainstream science, including evolutionary science, the common descent of all living things (including humans), methodological naturalism, and an old earth.

He opposes political action to change science curricula, and is a frequent and visible critic of Intelligent Design and scientific creationism. Agreeing with the non-theist Eugenie Scott, he argues science is silent on God’s action, and cannot properly consider theological claims, like the existence or action of God.

He also places a high value on building bridges, and kindness to others, which should not be mistaken for an endorsement of any claims. Dr. Swamidass is also a Christian. He confesses, along with other scientists, that Jesus rose from the dead. For this reason, he is sensitive to the concerns of religious communities. He encourages presenting scientific findings in a theologically-neutral manner so as to reduce unnecessary conflict, so as to better advance understanding of scientific findings in the public square.

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When participants start to speculate on topics that don’t directly deal with the positions identified above, please remember to apply these important words to Dr. Swamidass’ patient tolerance for letting visitors explore their ideas with other visitors.

यह मेरा सर्कस नहीं है; ये मेरे बंदर नहीं हैं।

Yah mera sarkas nahin hai; ye mere bandar nahin hain.

இது என் சர்க்கஸ் அல்ல; இவை என் குரங்குகள் அல்ல.

Itu eṉ carkkas alla; ivai eṉ kuraṅkukaḷ alla.

.هذا ليس سيركى هذه ليست قرودى

Hadha lays syrka hadhih laysat qurwda.

זה לא הקרקס שלי; אלה לא הקופים שלי.

Αυτό δεν είναι το τσίρκο μου. αυτά δεν είναι οι πίθηκοι μου.

Aftó den eínai to tsírko mou. aftá den eínai oi píthikoi mou.