Continuing the discussion from Eddie's Defense of Natural Theology:
Sorry @eddie, I can’t really work with these definitions. Maybe if we get them straight we will understand each other.
I like the natural theology definition and think we should encourage natural theology. The definitions of ID arguments and design arguments, however, are not workable for me. The issue is that we want to dignify and endorse natural theology, and we want to make space for divine design arguments outside of science, at least when they are logical and accurate. However, design arguments generically (pooling God and aliens together) is not sensible to me (or @dga471). Moreover ID arguments will unavoidably bring up the ID movement. That reference is always going to be contentious.
So…can you propose a more helpful set of terminology so we are not constantly triggered down the rabbit hole every-time you want to talk to us about natural theology? You need not agree with us, but I want to avoid the circular repetition.
I want to talk to you about natural theology and divine design arguments outside of science, without provoking a defense of ID or critique scientific methodology. What is the terminology that could make that possible?