The bad influence of atheism 2: Denying structure

This is to address the question ChatGPT proposed: “How much of what we think we know about human ancestors comes from the data, and how much comes from the assumptions we bring to it?”

To recognize some responses to my previous post, one could maybe replace “assumptions” with “Bayesian prior belief”. And one could replace “atheism” with “atheist ideology” (leads to a quagmire), “atheist propaganda” (overstates the explicit commitment) or with “the atheist gaze”.

As I understand it, the established narrative of human evolution is basically about an ape with the smarts gradually getting more intelligent. It’s obviously “adaptive” to be more intelligent, so that progress doesn’t seem to need more explanation. Here is a standard graphic of that progress, showing a gradual increase in brain size becoming steeper, according to a logarithmic trend.

Figure 1. Standard graph of brain increase.

I added on that graph three no-longer-so-recent discoveries, with their dates: Au. sediba, Ho. naledi and Ho. floresiensis, highlighting the “Flores Hobbit”, discovered more than 20 years ago. They look like outliers to that smooth progress, but “outliers” can be just an opinion, so I tried to put some numbers to it. I asked ChatGPT to choose prominent fossil discoveries, order them by discovery date, and give their brain volumes. For some of those data it gave ranges, so I adopted mid-range values. Then I used Excel to fit logarithmic curves for the data available at successive dates and plotted their goodness of fit to the data using the r-squared measure. Here is the graph.

Figure 2

This graph shows that up till the 21st century, available evidence supported a single logarithmic progress very well, even after discovering the small brained Taung child. But the Floris hobbit called that model into question and Homo naledi made it worse.

I need to emphasize that THIS ISN’T A SLAM DUNK. We’re just discussing something, right? But Wikipedia recounts curious attempts to explain away the Flores Hobbit’s small brain in terms of four different congenital disorders. That should raise a red flag. Wasn’t that objection raised by theologians against early fossil evidence of extinct animals? It’s embarrassing. I suspect that those explanations were raised by non-paleontologist scientists who swallowed a common perception amongst scientists that there was something wrong with the hobbits, which their own specialized knowledge could solve. But the accepted explanation of island dwarfism doesn’t seem much better. With a 400cc brain, could the hobbits talk? Wikipedia doesn’t discuss that problem, or discuss the simplest prospect that cousins of Homo naledi just gradually spread from Africa and then boated to the Flores island.

So I’m proposing that a weird denial about human origins is at work, and it’s common amongst scientists. Here is some evidence that what they are denying is structure. The data on hominoid brain sizes can be divided into two simple linear trends: one includes the hobbits and extends back to Proconsul, long before the LCA with apes Their brain size could be called “flatlining” at around 15cc increase per million years. The rest, which includes by far most hominid fossils ever found, fit another linear trend about 25 times more rapid, starting abruptly around 2.5 mya:

Figure 3: Two-trend lines model of encephalization.

This isn’t advanced theory, it’s the territory of “The Emperor has no clothes” with me as the bystanding little boy. A good falsifying evidence could be a serious discussion of human encephalization in terms of Punctuated Equilibrium. Or a graph something like figure 3. Years of experience has taught me that professionals have already thought things out, and anyway other people know a lot more than I do. Being the little boy bystander can expose one to heavy traffic. But just suppose that figure 3 reflects real structure in human evolution. It implies two constraint systems and it implies ruling constraint systems in the first place. The other day I realized that it gives some color to ID, by this argument. In order to create something, you do this and then you do that. For example, a potter friend of mine knows how to create a salt-shaker that is closed at the top, with an inward funneling hole underneath. Apparently, only a few potters have worked out how to make this beautiful thing. I was fascinated but he didn’t want me to video his method in case it got out how he did this and then that.

I’m seeing a lot of prejudice in your posts and not a lot of evidence. Certainly none for a “bad influence” that can be attributed to atheism.

That’s a very simplified view. As in the case of the horse series it seems that the reality is far more “bushy”. The straight line is based on very limited evidence.

It really shouldn’t. The problem is that if Homo Floriensis is descended from Homo Erectus - and by geography Homo Erectus is the most likely ancestor, something must account for the decline in brain size. Early speculations on that point are to be expected.

I don’t see why the first is relevant - indeed the matter must be settled by evidence, and anatomy seems at least as relevant as brain size. As for the second Wikipedia does discuss the possibility of descent from Homo Habilis or Australopithecines. Homo Naledi is probably excluded based on the dates - it’s not clear that Homo Naledi is old enough.

Not really. You seem to be speculating that there is a parallel line of evolution with a slower increase in brain size. If you can come up with better evidence - because your graph really isn’t much - then your idea may be accepted.

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@Jay This figure makes no sense. You are plotting date of discovery versus r-squared?
Also, it is not possible to calculate r-square for single data points.

Multiple problems here, and really with the whole analysis. Brain size cannot stay on a logarithmic growth curve forever, because it implies that brains will eventually become exponentially large. This isn’t physically possible.

Fitting lines in Excel is a nice way to describe data, but not a great way to do analysis (I do this for a living! :wink: ).

It’s not clear which data points are used to fit each line. It appears you may have selected points to intentionally create diverging lines.

I think you are fitting linear relationships when that is clearly inappropriate. Clearly there is divergence, but I don’t think you are representing it correctly. To be honest, I don’t understand what you think you are repesenting.

I hope I’m not being overly critical, but as a statistician I can’t help but notice these things. :slight_smile:

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what does this have to do with atheism?

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Among the public, this may be a common perception but among scientists this is not the “established narrative”. This framing is ‘orthogenic’, as it depicts human evolution as single-line trend towards some apparent goal. Historically, this is due to the fact that early palaeontologists were orthogenesists. The classic example is the orthogenic depiction horse evolution as one sequence of successive forms (left image), but now we know that horse evolution concisted of many divergent lineages leaving along side one another, and some took very different ‘turns’ when it comes to their ecological adaptations (right). For example, at first glance horse evolution appears to “advance” (emphasis on the quotes) from browse-feeding to grazzing in accordance with the expansion of grassland, but this is not always the case. Some horses went back from grazzing to browsing or mixed feeding, e.g. Hippidion (aka Onohippidium) from South America.

The same for human evolution, and anthropologists are well aware of this. It’s not one line of descent. As you later pointed out, this is also true for brain size evolution. It wasn’t linear. Many sizes living alongside one another. In fact, the trend of brain size in the last 100 or 3 thousand years was negative.

Also, to be more intelligent is not always adaptive. There is a huge cost to have big brains. Most life (even those with brains) are able to survive very well without our level of intelligence. So increased brain sizes and intelligence during human evolution can’t be taken for granted, and hypotheses for why and how our brains got so big are highly varied and are continuously discussed. Some examples include these Nature papers from 2018 and 2024.

The claim that Homo floresiensis was microcephalic has been loudly rejected. However, prior to the research questioning whether one specific specimen with very unusual features might have been due to a pathology that is associated with said features is not unreasonable. Pathologies DO happen from time to time of course. What is unreasonable though is claiming that, for example, Neanderthals were just normal humans deformed by old age despite the fact that (1) none of the proposed pathologies matches the features we observe in the specimens, (2) we possess hundreds of specimens including children, and (3) we even have their DNA.

The two claims are not the same. Comparing the two is embarrassing.

This section I find the most garbled. How are brain size or the capacity of language relevant to plausibility of insular dwarfism as an explanation? I find insular dwarfism the best explanation, especially considering the fauna it is associated with, which include also other dwarf animals like a dwarf Stegodon, and correspondingly insular giant rats, storks and varanids.

Lastly, wikipedia DOES discuss the oceanic dispersal of hominins to the island:

Because of the deep neighbouring Lombok Strait, Flores remained an isolated island during episodes of low sea level. Therefore, the ancestors of H. floresiensis could only have reached the island by oceanic dispersal, most likely by rafting.[29]

??? Okay I take back what I said earlier. This is the most garbled segment.

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