Everyone is allowed to talk about their own impressions. However the papers are confidential and identifying any specific comments with specific people would be a problem. One of the unique things about this conference is that we were seeing leading scholars openly reconsidering their public positions with real honesty. Such transparency is very rare and partly might be due to the confidentiality of the conversation. If you notice I’m following those rules carefully, even though I’m talking about my own impressions openly. On reason we’ve had several dialogues here, also, is to give others a platform to put out their impressions, and I refer to those as well.
Are you sure this wasn’t one of those tax-deductible boondoggles that everyone points to when they want to get rid of tax loopholes? No records of what was discussed, no list of attendees, private invitation only guest list, no minutes, no pictures. Where was it again? If the next one is in Hawaii or some exotic place, FFRF might ask the IRS to investigation the tax-deductible status of this. Do you know if any US Government officials were there? Perhaps the NIH director? Or one of VP Pence’s staffers? Or somebody from new office of Religious Affairs? It is time to tax religious institutions that same as every other non-profit organization?
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swamidass
(S. Joshua Swamidass)
August 13, 2018, 3:42pm
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I hope everyone recognizes that’s a joke, or at least it better be one .
There are records of all those things. No government funding used. There is a public record of most of this too:
Like many conferences, recordings are not available of the sessions. In many ways this is like a Gordon Conference.
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jongarvey
(Jon Garvey)
August 13, 2018, 3:42pm
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I was invited, and I pay UK Income Tax.
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Like many conferences, recordings are not available of the sessions. In many ways this is like a Gordon Conference.
Okay, just checking. A few years ago Biologos tried to slip in a high level Government Official into one of their “Christ and Creation” Conferences.
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Not concerned about you as you are not a High Level US Government Official.
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Guy_Coe
(Guy Coe)
August 13, 2018, 3:51pm
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Government officials have free speech rights, on their own dime, just like anyone else, as long as they clarify they are speaking as persons, and not as officials. It’s a fiction that you’d like to create that that is not the case, but the strictures actually in place are not being fully characterized by your fictions. Please put your finger back in the imaginary dike, and not on your keyboard.
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swamidass
(S. Joshua Swamidass)
August 13, 2018, 3:54pm
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I noted precisely zero government officials.
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I noted precisely zero government officials.
Nobody behind the curtains? with tax payer paid for listening devices?
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Government officials have free speech rights, on their own dime, just like anyone else, as long as they clarify they are speaking as persons, and not as officials. It’s a fiction that you’d like to create that that is not the case, but the strictures actually in place are not being fully characterized by your fictions. Please put your finger back in the imaginary dike, and not on your keyboard.
Imaginary Dike? This is just today’s government entangle with religion. Over 1000 of these a year.
The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a national state/church watchdog, is formally objecting to religious patches on Shelby County, Ohio officer unif...
The national motto displays were allowed by the Alabama Legislature this spring, and could be installed in school districts this year. Meanwhile, voters will get a chance to decide if the state's constitution should be amended to allow for the...
The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a national state/church watchdog, is asking the mayor of Kissimmee, Fla., to rescind an unconstitutional proclam...
jongarvey
(Jon Garvey)
August 13, 2018, 4:15pm
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Not concerned about you as you are not a High Level US Government Official.
But I will be, come the revolution.
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Guy_Coe
(Guy Coe)
August 13, 2018, 4:15pm
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Object all you want to the real issues. You don’t need to make up imaginary ones as well.
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swamidass
(S. Joshua Swamidass)
August 13, 2018, 4:17pm
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Object all you want to the real issues. You don’t need to make up imaginary ones as well.
I dunno @Guy_Coe . It appears @jongarvey has just admitted to planning to overthrow the government. Maybe we are right to be concerned.
Guy_Coe
(Guy Coe)
August 13, 2018, 4:19pm
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Well, we’ve been run by much stranger characters recently. Not too concerned. : )
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jongarvey
(Jon Garvey)
August 13, 2018, 4:21pm
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Maybe we are right to be concerned.
But you can do nothing about it, for I have special rays. They all said I was mad, but I have made them all look like fools. I am the geat, the magnificent, the incomprehensible (and indigenous, to boot) Toad, before whom all must be smitten into nothingness and everlasting night.
Can I have the next slide, please?
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swamidass
(S. Joshua Swamidass)
August 13, 2018, 4:21pm
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Well, we’ve been run by much stranger characters recently. Not too concerned. : )
So much for, “give me liberty or give me death.” How far we have wandered.
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Guy_Coe
(Guy Coe)
August 13, 2018, 4:23pm
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“The news of my premature demise has been greatly exaggerated.” --Samuel Clemens
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