Credit where credit is due - at least @Eddie goes to the trouble to re-state Dinesh D’Souza’s thoughts, instead of lazily copying and pasting the latter’s bullet points.
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Yes you did. You said they run the southern campuses. Your words are there above. Don’t deny you said what you said. Do you maintain that claim, or withdraw it?
I am not advocating offering a course on creationism.
I didn’t say it did. I don’t think courses should be offered on creationism. I am speaking of a more general phenomenon of intellectual bias among faculty regarding religious questions, that goes far beyond the narrow question of creationism.
I notice that you have not answered my question about the job application. If you knew anything about the faculty composition of current religious studies departments, you would be able to answer it easily.
Because I didn’t as in I didn’t exaggerate…
Hey dude. Im just now clocking out of work. I was picking and choosing until I clocked out.
Sure you did, because your claim was false. For all four of the counterexamples I provided, you were unable to rebut by showing examples of how the evangelicals controlled things. You claim the evangelicals are running things, but so far the only examples you have given of “running things” are:
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some of them utter anti-homosexual epithets
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one of them rushed into a biology class saying evolution was bullshit.
This counts as evangelicals running the campus? You use English words very strangely.
Seems like a tough hire to me.
Denying. My own experience with schools large and small throughout the country (blue and red) tells me something else.
No. But I do deny that this is widespread and a problem.
Yes.
Most definitely yes.
Many? A useless descriptor. Most? I deny such an assertion.
@Eddie, show us the numbers. The facts. The data. Most of what you are claiming goes against my own experiences with schools small and large, north and south, coast to coast. This includes my experiences with colleagues in the liberal arts. I don’t buy any of what you are claiming here. None of it.
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Holy cow. You are so out of touch of reality. What the conservatives want, they get! But what they want is not what you think they should want. They don’t care about this stuff like you do. Do you not get that? Bama caters to these assholes by keep building them frat MANSIONS.
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What, you are debating on a blog site on the boss’s time? Naughty, naughty. 
Guilty as charged
Wanna drive through campus and count the MAGA flags?
Art, you’re a plant biologist, for Pete’s sake. Your experience of undergraduate Arts education is at best very limited. I don’t recognize your superficial outsider’s judgment of what happens in Arts department as having any value at all.
And if you want figures, data, etc., why don’t you take the time to read the dozens of books that have been written on the subject of systemic bias in the universities? If you don’t like Dinesh, then try Jonathan Haidt. There are lots and lots of books on the subject, and if you find one of them on Amazon, Amazon will bring up more on similar subjects down below. These are people who, unlike you in your plant genetics lab, live and breathe Arts education. They know the territory from the inside, not as a tourist. Their judgment takes precedence over your half-baked internet lookups etc.
Then you’re wrong. I’ve seen many jobs deliberately redefined by search committees to make sure that a feminist gets the job.
Wrong again. Most faculty in Arts departments are not traditional or conservative in their religion. If you disagree, I don’t care, because I know, and you don’t. But believe whatever narrative you want.
Those weren’t examples of how they run things. I suggest googling “The Machine.” University of Alabama
@Eddie, you don’t know me. You don’t know how much work I put into researching the many, many colleges and universities my kids looked into. You don’t know how many colleagues in “Arts” colleges I have worked with, formally and informally. You don’t know how much these interactions factor into my own work. You basically know nothing.
I, on the other hand, know with certainty that your assertions here do not describe the broader landscape of higher education, even at large secular institutions in blue states. (Especially the latter, like my alma mater. Consider that my nephew, currently a student there, would likely have to read titles such as “Human Nature and the Limits of Darwinism”, “Does Animal Ethics Need a Darwinian Revolution?”, or “Can Science Determine Moral Values? A Reply to Sam Harris” were he to dabble in religion and philosophy.)
I’m self-employed, so I’m the boss.
I’m not interested in the sort of influence you are talking about. We were talking about curriculum and faculty bias, not frat mansions. You said that they controlled the campus when I was talking about curriculum and faculty bias. It was quite reasonable for me to respond as I did.
You seem to think I’m defending YEC and southern attitudes. I’m not. I’m not a YEC and I have no particular affinity for the attitudes you’re describing. I just want to make sure that the ideas of Plato and the Bible are as frequently and positively represented in religion departments as the ideas of Derrida or Marx or some foaming-at-the-mouth male-hating radical feminist. And currently that is not the case, because of quite obvious faculty bias which has now become, as they say, “systemic”. At least in all parts of the country north of the Mason-Dixon line, and on the West Coast, whatever may be the case in Alabama.
I know you aren’t. But what I’m trying to explain to you is they have so much power and if they wanted these type of courses I’m
Certain they would be offered. If they can influence elections, they can influence hirings. They just don’t care about the stuff you care about. Simple as that.
This looked interesting. I’ll leave you with it:
Abstract
While considerable quantitative research demonstrates ideological liberalism among American professors, only qualitative work examines whether this affects undergraduate education. Using the HERI dataset surveying students in their first and fourth years in college (n=7,207), we use OLS regressions to test whether students’ political beliefs are associated with reported college grades and perceived collegiate experiences. We find that while standardized test scores are the best predictors of grade point average, ideology also has impacts. Even with controls for SES, demographics, and SAT scores, liberal students report higher college grades and closer relationships with faculty. Nevertheless, conservative students consistently show higher levels of satisfaction with college courses and experiences, and higher high school grades. We discuss implications.
I do know that 40 years spent exclusively in the Arts outweighs 40 or fewer years divided between being a research biologist and the other activities you mention. I have more experience, more knowledge, of Arts education than you do. By far. And since neither of is going to yield on who knows more, let’s end this conversation. It’s pointless. Like so many of the side-conversations here.
I’m late to the party, so a bunch of quotes …
True.
That is the stuff of consspiracy theories.
So a lack of evidence IS evidence? Also the stuff of conspiracy theories.
The scientific establishment also does not tolerate (or no longer tolerates) Flat Earth theories, Perpetual Motion schemes, witchcraft, astrology, and any number of other silly theories. Why do you suppose that is?
On the difference between Methodological and philosophical naturalism …
I think your understanding is not apparent in your usage.
And because it bears repeating …
Is YEC tolerated?
AND
There is at least one example of an anti-ID paper being sharply criticized (not sure about rejected) from a serious journal because it was not addressing a serious scientific question. So yes there can be consequences for addressing these topics, and the consequences are not limited to just ID/YEC.
I will end with a quote from a wise friend. It’s not entirely on topic, but I don’t want to change the original meaning:
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Please share more if you can. Thanks!
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I admit: I never before knew that “toleration” was a word.