Understanding Intelligent Design Creationism: Christian Version

[Rumraket (Mikkel R.)]

@scd

actually its not. a watch need design even if it made from organic components or has a self replicating system. so the watch argument is still valid.

Cool. Call us when you find such a watch then.

[Patrick]

@Charles_Miller

You don’t get the point. Nothing can create Nothing.

You don’t get the point. There is not such thing as Nothing. There has to be Something.

[T_aquaticus]

@Charles_Miller

But we are made in the image (mind and spirit) of God.

But we are not watches, no matter what you may believe about what image we are made in. A watch might be useful as an analogy for communicating your beliefs and philosophy, but it it isn’t useful as a scientific explanation or as a piece of evidence for a reasoned argument.

[Charles_Miller (Charles Edward Miller)]

That something is God. He even made you possibility in the following ways.

• Young Earth Creation
• Old Earth Creation
• ID Creationism
• ID Evolution

[Rumraket (Mikkel R.)]

@Charles_Miller

0+0= Zero like your brain
God + no creation calling it into being= is being, a universe.

You don’t get the point. Nothing can create Nothing.

This is beneath me. I’m out.

[Charles_Miller (Charles Edward Miller)]

Nothing can create nothing.

[Djordje]

@scd

so you have no real answer then. sorry.

Watch is a technology (meaning, not biology) we know was designed by human beings. Humans (and other animals) are biological structures. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not going against your belief in Creator that created the universe. I’m going against your bad arguments for such a Creator.

[Djordje]

@Charles_Miller

SCD is far smarter than you!

Really? Really? You’re an old man, stop acting like a bloody five year old.

[Charles_Miller (Charles Edward Miller)]

I am not acting like a five year old, but you are acting like Bart Simpson!

[Mercer (John Mercer)]

@Charles_Miller

No. I am a graduate of Old Dominion University, formerly William and Mary College in Norfolk, and Liberty University Graduate School. My answers have been logical and truthful, but have yours? I wonder.

@Mercer

Those are both known for their awesome prowess in original biology research, correct?

@Charles_Miller

Old Dominion University is a top school, Liberty is a good school for many things; however YEC is supported.

So neither is known for its prowess in biology research. A simple “no” would have been sufficient.

@Charles_Miller

Remember that ODU is part of the College of William and Mary founded in Virginia by King William III and Queen Mary II of England in 1693.

That’s nice, but how is that important in the context of your claiming to be an authority in biology?

@Charles_Miller

If your Darwinism is true, God still could have created that way.

Mine? No, evolutionary biology is much more than Darwin. That’s covered in detail elsewhere on this site; you might want to learn something. My position is that God created through evolution, btw.

@Charles_Miller

I know that there is no such concept in biology; however, I wish you would go to the bottom of the tree of life. Bye, monkey brain.

Would you say that what you wrote reflects that you are a faithful follower of the most fundamental teaching of Jesus Christ?

@Charles_Miller

I studied also in West Germany and France in 1974.

Charles Edward Miller, BA, in German and History and MA in Philosophy of Religion

Color me impressed! I’m still not understanding how anything you’ve bragged about makes you an authority on biology, though.

[Patrick]

@Charles_Miller

That something is God. You are a Theist after all.

wrong again. Not a theist.

So are you saying that God isn’t something?

[Charles_Miller (Charles Edward Miller)]

I really did get your goat. My schools are fine and my undergraduate school in next to Harvard. You are a worm brain. If I do not wish to like Charles Robert Darwin, that is more affair. Did you know that Charles and I both descend from the Wessex Royal family. You may want to read this. It was written by my late cousin, Professor Alf Mapp. Here is a quote from the editors.

Alf Mapp, Jr. was a professor of history, literature, and Western civilization at Old Dominion University. His writings, including the Virginia Experiment and Frock Coats and Epaulets, have been published in nine languages and have earned him Freedoms Foundation Honor Medal, a Pulizer nomination and numerous American and British citations. As a journalist he cover Presidents Truman, Eisenhower and Premier Churchill. He was a direct descendant of King Alfred the Great of England.
I still feel that cousin Charles was a monkey brain, just a little higher on the tree than you if there is one. Oh, age does show wisdom. Oh, my first cousin, Walter Drane of Georgia, is a physician. There are others in my family. Charles Darwin was NOT a scientist, he was a student of medicine, which he never pursued and a theologian.

[John_Harshman]

Why aren’t any of the creationists here making any attempt to set Charles Miller straight on the facts, and why is nobody flagging his insults?

[Charles_Miller (Charles Edward Miller)]

@swamidass, @John_Harshman, @Mercer

It seems I am the one that has been insulted here many times. The ones who have should be flagged by me.

[Mercer (John Mercer)]

What have I written that is an insult, specifically?

[Charles_Miller (Charles Edward Miller)]

A great deal. An example: an old man acting like a five you old child. You insulted my universities and my education. Anything else.

[Mercer (John Mercer)]

@Charles_Miller

My schools are fine and my undergraduate school in next to Harvard.

You’ll have to translate that second clause to English, I’m afraid.

@Charles_Miller

You are a worm brain. If I do not wish to like Charles Robert Darwin, that is more affair.

More Christian behavior. What does “that is more affair” mean?

@Charles_Miller

Did you know that Charles and I both descend from the Wessex Royal family.

No, and you’re not explaining how that’s relevant. As a geneticist, I do know that the Royals are dangerously inbred.

@Charles_Miller

You may want to read this. It was written by my late cousin, Professor Alf Mapp. Here is a quote from the editors.

Read what? You didn’t post anything written by your cousin.

@Charles_Miller

Oh, age does show wisdom. Oh, my first cousin, Walter Drane of Georgia, is a physician. There are others in my family.

How does any of that relate to your opinions on biology, exactly?

[Mercer (John Mercer)]

@Charles_Miller

An example: an old man acting like a five you old child.

I didn’t write that. You need to retract your false accusation.

@Charles_Miller

You insulted my universities and my education.

No, questioning their relevance to your claims about biology is not an insult. Calling you “worm brain” would be an insult, but I’m not the one doing that.

[Djordje]

@Charles_Miller

an old man acting like a five you old child.

That was me.

Although, not in such words.

[scd]

@Djordje

Watch is a technology (meaning, not biology) we know was designed by human beings. Humans (and other animals) are biological structures

so what if the watch will be made from organic components like living things? in this case you will conclude design or a natural process?