Was There a “Fall” or Did Augustine Really Screw Everything Up?

[thoughtful (Valerie (non-scientist))]

@Witchdoc

Does your church teach original sin?

When I was growing up by Sunday school teachers taught me Original Sin.

One man through whom all die. (Adam).

One man theough whom all are saved. (Jesus)

Yes, my church does teach original sin. I do want salvation and life to extend to me, so why would I have a problem with death extending to me? I already know I’m decaying and dying. I do place my hope for life in Jesus. I see Adam so much as my representative that I wrote a poem as if I was there, but then I was also there at the cross. See the bottom of this post.

Coyne on the war between science and faith

I agree with all of this, I just put a few adjectives in brackets to show you how I take a slightly different twist on the agreement. By necessity, a YEC view is defined by rejecting interpretations of findings in multiple fields of science that we do think are demanded by the biblical text. There is no reason to have such a stance unless we believed it to be so. I think a line is necessary because as I’ve said in this forum, I believe Jesus requires it of me. This is how I think: God could not have created this world with death as a created norm when death is a punishment for sin. Why else would Jesus have to die? Why could he not have suffered a spiritual death for all of us only? Why else does the resurrection need to be the miracle than proved him as the victor? And then we have the doctrine of the first Adam and last Adam, the image of God in both man and woman but also their separate roles, which means Genesis 1 and 2 must be read as one story to understand marriage correctly …

I have no idea how to understand sin and death in a different philosophical framework, so yeah in the philosophy of science that I have, GE makes a lot of sense to me.

I suppose I do not understand the distinction you’re making.