Why the Brain-Only Model Cannot Fully Explain Near-Death Experiences

1- Near-death experiences include veridical perceptions. It is true that there are few cases found in prospective studies, but the amount of anecdotal evidence supported by independent witnesses and among those independent witnesses are people who have no religious biases, many of them are well-educated (ICU doctors and nurses/psychiatrists) makes them credible.

Because it is highly implausible that all these people are having false memories or fabricating unfounded stories, and not a single case among these such as the famous 12-digit near-death case or Dr. Lloyd Rudy’s case happened as described.

As Gary Habermas says:

“Although critics note that no prospective study has yet produced a fully verified identification of random numbers by NDErs, several evidential NDE cases have already succeeded in identifying specific numbers (including a 12‑digit numeral, a four‑figure number, and other smaller or five‑figure numbers) or spotting objects placed overhead that could only be seen from a ceiling-level perspective. Similar cases involving correctly identified unusual objects (e.g., coins later retrieved) further weaken skeptical criticisms, and skeptics should be more cautious given these comparable, already-observed results.”

And:

“Naturalistic explanations face a central problem: there are 300+ cases of externally corroborated details in NDE reports—some from the immediate vicinity, some from distant locations beyond anyone’s senses, some involving blind NDErs, shared experiences, or information from deceased individuals. If even a small fraction of these cases are accurate, purely subjective theories cannot account for them. Objective, externally verified data cannot be dismissed by internal, psychological explanations, and for naturalistic views to succeed, virtually all 300+ corroborated accounts would have to be mistaken—an implausible claim given prompt collection, multiple witnesses, and careful checks. Naturalistic positions are thus forced into the weaker stance of denying all external evidence, while the evidential ground clearly favors the reality of at least some veridical NDEs.”

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/chapter-epub/10.1002/9781119468004.ch14

2- In a nutshell, if brain activity = mind, then we should expect lower or disordered brain activity to produce chaotic, fragmented, and disorganized experiences. Yet NDErs often report the opposite: hyper-lucid thought, clear moral evaluation of their actions, detailed life reviews, and an experience that feels “realer than real.” Many even describe their consciousness as becoming more expansive, clearer, and more lucid.

So how can a brain with absent or severely reduced blood flow and oxygenation produce a level of consciousness that is apparently higher and more coherent than that of a normal waking brain?

You do not need to establish zero brain activity for the argument to have force.
The point is comparative: if consciousness is entirely produced by brain activity, then significant deterioration or disruption of brain function should generally correspond to diminished, fragmented, or disorganized consciousness, not consistently reported experiences of unusually vivid, coherent, expansive, and hyper-lucid awareness.

As Roland Karo says:

First of all, as Parnia elegantly argues, if one were to maintain that these perimortem bursts of activity come together to form an integrated and hyperlucid conscious experience, then according to textbook neurology, the brain would need a lot of energy and metabolic input. But during CA, there is none. Unless one speculates that the needed energy comes from an unknown external source (which is actually the view Parnia himself defends), this argument runs directly against everything we think we know about the basics of human physiology (Parnia 2024, 104–5). Metaphorically, accepting this hypothesis would mean buying into the argument that a car with an empty tank, dead battery, and missing driver can still go for a ride. Moreover, going along with this explanation would render the whole scholarly pursuit for the neural correlates of consciousness useless. Because the entire program relies on close correlations between patterns of cerebral blood flow and differential activity in particular brain areas.

In fact, I suspect that buying into this hypothesis leads to a reductio ad absurdum of the naturalist explanations of consciousness. Because essentially it would mean that live brains and dead brains can create similar consciousness, where dead brains may actually be better at it, given the hyperlucid quality of NDEs in comparison with normal waking consciousness. For the naturalist interpretation of the gamma burst theory to work, its proponent should (a) show that the perimortem bursts of activity are really gamma, clearly and recognizably patterned and engaging the whole brain; (b) prove that these bursts are comparable in intensity to the electrical patterns typical of normal waking consciousness; and (c) explain how the brain can give structured and continued output with no metabolic input.

A successful naturalist answer to (c) would be a pyrrhic victory because it would result in having to rewrite the basics of textbook neurology. As to (a) and (b), the existing evidence is controversial, to say the least. As pointed out earlier, the whole theory is derived from Borjigin’s et al.’s (2013) original experiments with rodents. The importance of gamma in the theory—as Parnia (2024, 67) puts it—lies in the (reasonable) speculation that hyperlucid consciousness should be associated with even higher frequencies of electrical activity in the brain than the normal beta rhythm of everyday waking consciousness. However, as Nigel Shaw (2024, 674) points out, the etiology and electrogenesis of the gamma rhythm is unclear. So is its relation to cognitive processes. There exists a body of experimental results that links hyperlucid consciousness to slow theta activity instead (for a relevant discussion and further references, see Baijal and Srinivasan 2010). While AWARE-II revealed some measurable activity during CA, none was in the gamma spectrum. Moreover, as Greyson and Pim van Lommel (2024, 109924) argue, in all likeliness, this activity was a measuring artifact related to chest compressions, because none of the subjects in whom Parnia and colleagues found perimortem electrical brain activity actually reported an NDE. From Chawla and colleagues’ aforementioned case report on seven dying patients, only one is said to have had activity in the “high” frequency range.

As to Vicente and colleagues’ famous case report, it has been heavily critiqued. Greyson, van Lommel, and Peter Fenwick (2022) have shown that the gamma activity in the patient was not, in fact, a burst. What is reported by the Vicente and colleagues is rather enhanced gamma in comparison with alpha, beta, and theta, which was, further, only measurable against the background of the relative electrocerebral silence associated with CA. They also hypothesize that the gamma activity the researchers found may not have been at all be related to cognitive functions. Again, it may just as well have been related to residual muscle contractions in the body of the patient. In addition, different measures used in the case report cannot be precisely time matched, and it is difficult to decide when exactly the heart stopped relative to the enhanced gamma activity (Greyson et al. 2022, 1–2). Shaw also suspects that the perimortem bursts of activation may be artifacts reflecting residual muscle tensions. His own proposal is that the gamma bursts reported by the researchers are actually of amygdalar origin. If so, it is highly unlikely they can be used to explain the nuanced and lucid phenomenology of NDEs (Shaw 2024, 674).

Taken together, I do not think the naturalist interpretation of the gamma burst hypothesis is defendable. It is much more likely that the perimortem bursts represent (random?) residual activity in the dying brain that may or may not have something to do with consciousness. Greyson et al. (2013, 47) are even more skeptical, arguing that Borjigin’s original findings and the resulting explanatory hypotheses have no relevance to NDEs at all. The core NDE is far too multilayered, complex, and nuanced to be explained away by random(ish) flashes of dying neurons (in other words, dismissed as complex hallucinations created by the dying brain). Also, if viewed in the light of the another-day-at-the-office model, it is at once clear that the naturalist interpretation of the gamma burst theory also falls into this class. But, to repeat it one more time, NDEs are not another day at the office. They deserve much more credit than the naturalists are willing to grant them.

3- Experiences arising from hallucinations and delusions are different from near-death experiences in terms of their subjective phenomenology.

Conscious experiences associated with hallucinations and delusions are often characterized by confused and disorganized consciousness, with less clarity, and they are often quickly forgotten and do not leave a lasting impact on the personality of the person who experienced them. Near-death experiences, by contrast, are characterized by exceptionally clear and heightened consciousness. People often describe their awareness as being far more lucid than their ordinary waking consciousness.

These experiences can also have profound and lasting effects on the people who undergo them, sometimes lasting until death. They can make people lose their fear of death almost entirely and give them a sense that their lives have meaning and purpose. Life is no longer seen as merely a matter of living, eating, and reproducing, but as something meaningful in which one should do good for others.

There are also atheists who undergo NDEs and subsequently become believers, or at least experience a major disruption of their confidence that there is nothing after death.

Moreover, experiences associated with hallucinations and delusions do not display the same kind of cross-cultural or universal consistency as NDEs. Each person may report something entirely different. One person might say, for example, “I saw a dragon,” another might say, “I saw my legs growing,” and another might say, “I saw a dinosaur,” and so on.

“Unlike ICU dreams, delusions, and delirium, or drug-induced hallucinations, these recalled experiences of death follow a specific narrative and are associated with transcendence, ineffability, and positive transformation.”

https://nyaspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/nyas.14740

That’swhy, there are now many scientific papers published in high-impact scientific journals arguing for a mind independent of brain function.

“The results of studies of consciousness during cardiac arrest have been proposed to support the philosophical view that the mind or consciousness is a separate entity that interacts with, but is not produced by, the brain”

https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article/110/2/67/2681812

“In conclusion, brain activity during CA and CPR tends to be suppressed or markedly disturbed, yet NDEs appear to occur during CA and unconsciousness, that is, at the very period when the brain can no longer support consciousness. This analysis provides an empirical argument supporting the view that consciousness can exist separately from the brain/body (van Lommel, 2010, 2023). This argument has implications for the question of the continuation of consciousness after death, as part of the evidence for this possibility (Moreira-Almeida et al., 2022). As CA may be regarded as ‘reversible death’ (Parnia et al., 2023), NDE can be assumed as evidence for the persistence of conscious awareness after death.”

I would note that both Habermas and Karo are theologians, and that neither appear to have have any qualification, or research expertise, in neuroscience.

Habermas besides is a notorious apologist, and therefore of doubtful credibility, even beyond his lack of expertise.

I have long suspected that the ‘field’ of “Religion and Science” in general, and Zygon in particular, is 99%+ theology, theologising about science and/or apologetics (with a superficial scientific basis).

My question is therefore this:

Does any of this have any basis accepted within mainstream neuroscience?

(I would note an apparent dearth, in the OP, of references to mainstream publications within that field.)

If not, then I think a “theology” tag for this thread would be more appropriate than a “science” tag.

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About that … In Russia there is the concept of быт (byt)—that heavy, material, everyday reality—versus the higher spiritual or mental life. If we look at the brain-only model through that lens, would you say the materialists are trying to reduce the entire human experience strictly to быт, or is it more complicated than that when it comes to NDEs? How would you frame your argument using that distinction?

Yes they are, but they use actual arguments and cite actual researchers, so you should engage with their arguments not dismiss them based solely on their worldviews.

Arguments are not evidence, and apologetic arguments often have a very tenuous relationship to the evidence.

Apologists very frequently misrepresent those doing the actual scientific research – they exaggerate, distort, and/or cherry pick the researchers’ results to fit their arguments.

“Gary Habermas says” & “Roland Karo says” is therefore worthless as substantiation for your claims. If what the evidence that the researchers they cite actually says support your argument, then you should present that. I have very little interest in fact-checking either’s claims.

At the end of the day it was your post, so the burden is on you to present credible evidence and/or credible expert opinion to support your claims. Habermas and Karo don’t cut it.

So I return to my original question:

Because if it doesn’t, then Habermas and Karo belong nowhere other than in the dustbin.

Further, if (despite his lack of neuroscientific expertise) we should accept Habermas’ interpretation of NDE, should not we also accept (despite his lack of historical expertise) his assessment of the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus? And if we accept the latter, where does that place the Quran?

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All of these anecdotes share a problem: They all involve patient’s describing things that happened when their brains were still active, so it cannot be asserted that these perceptions occurred without brain activity.

Rather than invoke the existence of an immaterial substance that constitutes or produces our mind, the more parsimonious explanation, it seems to me, is that the human brain is still able to perceive and process information when the person is seemingly unconscious.

That is apart from the problem of how the accuracy of the report can even be verified in the first place. As Habermas admits, attempts to demonstrate such veridical perception under controlled conditions have all failed.

In the article below, I discuss one of the more famous examples of veridical NDE’s, and how it does not stand up to scrutiny:

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BTW, here is the video on which one of Habermas’s examples is based. One thing jumps out immediately: As far as I can tell, Ruby was asking the patient about things he remembered about the operation while they were both in the operating room immediately after the patient’s recovery. It is hardly surprising that he could report details of the OR while he was sitting in that very room, is it?

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I’ve always wondered, in regard to these stories, how the soul can see without eyes and hear without ears. And, if it can, why we even need eyes and ears at all.

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Yes. A corollary of that is these people continue to describe their experiences from the perspective of someone who is embodied. They describe a sense of moving thru space, and things being above, below, before and behind them. e.g. They will say they had to turn around to see something that was behind them. For that matter, it is puzzling that they would even describe things in terms of the usual five senses that we employ in our everyday life. It doesn’t really make sense that a disembodied, immaterial soul, would experience the world in the same way that a living being using their body would.

OTOH, this is just what one would expect if these were examples of autoscopy of neurological origin.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14662516/

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It is both interesting and coincidental that just this morning I was researching somewhat related brain issues to try to understand some medical experiences I had years ago.

I was being treated (or overtreated) at the time by a range of specialists with a degree of polypharmacy that probably wouldn’t be allowed now including very high dose prescription methadone for severe chronic pain that today can be explained by opioid-induced hyperalgesia—and complicated by some rare genetic variants which give me some severely compromised metabolic pathways. Long story short, because of my severe apnea (even when CPAP-treated at that time) caused by anatomical issues, specialists have now determined that I was likely experiencing recurrent night-time arousals which brought (under polypharmacy) all sorts of strange sensations (like floating out-of-body experiences) and false memories (e.g., imagining the phone ringing and brief conversations which never happened.) They explained it as parts of the brain waking up in a shallow way but other parts of the brain (which evaluate reality-versus-imagination/dreams) were still disengaged.

I’m simply making the point that there are all sorts of situations (some common and some rare) which can have a huge impact upon perception and memory and their interpretations. I’m not trying to discredit other people’s experiences. I’m simply explaining why I am extremely cautious on subjects like OBE. I’m very open to further investigation but my own experiences with perception and the complexities of the brain make me slow to reach easy conclusions.

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One more thing: if there were an ability to have true out-of-body experiences, it would be selectively advantageous for many purposes: better hunting, predator avoidance, etc., so by now we would probably be all good at it and practicing it regularly. Like having your own little invisible drone.

Perhaps we have that capability now but maybe an evolutionary arms race led to ‘out of body’ blockers being broadcast by potential prey organisms.
:rofl:

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As relevant data and high-quality studies on near-death experiences (NDEs) remain scarce, I would recommend caution before making definitive claims about their cause. I have read hundreds, if not thousands, of case reports, and what strikes me most is the extraordinary complexity and diversity of these experiences.

I am also struck by the extent to which NDEs tend to idealize the afterlife—and how profoundly this apparent reality contrasts with our everyday human experience. More importantly, the complexity of these experiences does not warrant immediate, reductionist explanations that attempt to “whitewash” or oversimplify them.

Perhaps we should allow the full complexity of NDEs to sink in before rushing to conclusions about their underlying cause. The fact that we do not yet have a satisfactory explanation should invite deeper inquiry, not premature certainty.

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Building on @AllenWitmerMiller’s and @LRT’s comments, I would ask if the “Near Death” aspect in NDEs are actually causative of, or if it is merely incidental/instrumental to, some class of altered state of consciousness?

Is it possible to have a NDE without being Near Death?

Is it possible that the Near Death aspect is simply the most easily identifiable, if perhaps incidental, marker for a set of experiences whose real causation is too diffuse to be easily identified?

The CIA and US military spent good money during the Cold War investigating whether people could actually do this. In the end, they decided people could not. Or, at least, that’s the official story. :thinking:

Most NDEs occur near death, but similar experiences can happen during emotional crises or other altered states of consciousness. This doesn’t rule out the possibility that consciousness extends beyond normal brain function—but it does suggest that different triggers, whether physical stress, emotional extremes, or altered states, can produce similar experiences. These may stem from shared brain processes, or point to aspects of consciousness we don’t yet understand.

At the same time, brain function and cognition are clearly linked: injury, illness, drugs, and stimulation can all profoundly alter memory, personality, perception, and conscious experience. This makes a brain-based explanation for NDEs plausible. Yet current theories—involving brain chemistry, oxygen changes, or altered neural activity—haven’t fully accounted for the complexity and consistency of NDE reports.

So the evidence remains inconclusive: it’s unclear whether NDEs are entirely brain-generated or whether they reveal something about consciousness beyond current scientific understanding. The open question is whether the brain generates consciousness outright, or merely shapes and facilitates a deeper form of it.

In attempting to gain a better (if still admittedly still very partial) handle on what the ‘Religion and Science’ crowd is up to, I recently came across the following comment:

… in my own training in science and religion at Boston University, I was struck by how many science and religion scholars were attempting to use the authority of science to secure the legitimacy of theology as a discipline.
– METHODOLOGY IN SCIENCE AND RELIGION: A REPLY TO CRITICS – Zygon

This quote further confirms my skepticism of apologists’ interpretation of science.

The body of work that this article is part of also leads me to be very skeptical of what seems to be a widespread claim within R&S: that science and theology have a strong commonality, through an (asserted, though IMHO inadequately demonstrated) shared worldview of Critical Realism.

What positive evidence exists to suggest that NDE’s and similar phenomena involve something other than brain functions? I am asking for anything other than the fact that we do not yet have a complete understanding of how the brain could produce them. I would call that “negative” evidence.

Also, what hypothetical models have been suggested to explain how some non-brain thing would produce an NDE?

I am asking because I am not aware of any such evidence of models, and suspect that this is because none exist. But I could be wrong.

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You are correct that direct evidence demonstrating that consciousness exists independently of the brain remains limited. However, despite decades of neuroscience research, we still lack a widely accepted account of how physical brain activity gives rise to subjective experience—the so-called “hard problem” of consciousness. We understand many of the neural processes associated with consciousness, but identifying these processes is not the same as explaining why or how they produce awareness, meaning, and inner experience.

This unresolved gap has led some researchers and philosophers to question whether consciousness can be fully explained as a product of brain activity alone and to explore alternative possibilities. NDEs are one category of phenomena that has contributed to this discussion, as some features appear difficult to reconcile with a strictly brain-generated model. These include vivid and coherent experiences reported during periods of severely impaired brain function, cases involving apparently verifiable perceptions beyond normal sensory access, and the profound and lasting psychological transformations often associated with these experiences. Other phenomena, such as certain altered states of consciousness and rare reports of terminal lucidity in individuals with severe neurological impairment, have also raised questions about whether consciousness can be completely reduced to brain activity.

None of these observations proves that consciousness exists independently of the brain, and future neuroscience may ultimately provide satisfactory explanations. However, they suggest that the relationship between brain and mind may be more complex than a simple model in which the brain produces consciousness.

In response to these questions, several speculative models have been proposed. The filter or transmission model suggests that the brain may not create consciousness but instead regulate or constrain access to it. Non-local consciousness models propose that consciousness may not be entirely confined to the brain. Dual-aspect models suggest that consciousness and matter are two fundamental aspects of reality, while idealist models propose that consciousness itself is fundamental rather than a product of matter. Quantum-based theories of consciousness have also been explored, although their connection to NDEs remains highly speculative. None of these models has been scientifically established, but they demonstrate that the fundamental question remains unresolved: does the brain generate consciousness, or does it serve as an interface through which consciousness is expressed? The former is at the forefront while the latter has not yet hit the theoretical dustbin.