Would this Origin of life model work?

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@Dan_Eastwood

But I did respond, and you replied. My emphasis …

No, this was not what I was referring to. Again, I am NOT implying that a disembodied mind/souls exists or the human mind exists outside of space and time in the context of substance dualism, which is a hallmark of the natural vs supernatural dichotomy, but that one substance and one reality exists.

Instead of the mind/information existing as or in the brain/matter via materialism, it is the brain/matter that exists within the mind/information as an information construct. In other words, brain/matter is still real but not “Objectively” real where matter/brain and its effects are only real because the mind/information makes it real. Here, let me show you an example of what I mean…

According to John chapter 1:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. “…The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

The Greek meaning for “the Word” mentioned in John 1:1-3 is “something said; by implication, a topic, also reasoning or motive; by extension, a COMPUTATION; specially, the Divine Expression.” [emphasis added]

In other words, God is Digital information in the form of logical absolutes and mathematical language. This is where the quantum aspect of the human mind is relevant here since it is also digital information in the form of computation according the Orch-OR theory. So if you guys try to suggests that digital information is supernatural or divine and quantum physics does not involve this, then you would be wrong.

Now, you have suggested in previous posts…

@Dan_Eastwood

Because “digital” information is a human descriptor, and we can equally say that everything contains (digital) information. All we need to do is encode a description in a base-2 format. Nothing about “digital” makes it in any way special, and the mind you are recognizing is your own.

Digital information is not just a useful fiction but an actual fundamental part of objective reality, such as wave-functions. BTW, both the genetic code and wave-functions involve Shannon information as well. You can watch this video from 0:00 to 11:30 for all the evidence:

The Emergent Universe - YouTube

@Dan_Eastwood

I can still say it is unfalsifiable because the essential problem remains. If we demonstrate a particular random evolutionary pathway, how are we to know the designer did not use this same pathway as the means of design? This is what I mean by …

Ahhhh… I think I found the actual disconnect here in our discourse. My answer is simple…God does not use matter and energy to affect matter and energy. Instead, he uses digital information in the form of wave-functions to create and design matter and energy. For instance…

According to quantum physics experiments, only the conscious observer has the ability to choose which aspect of nature his knowledge will probe, which is what the results of quantum physics experiments like “quantum erasure with casually DISCONNECTED choice” demonstrate (if I am not mistaken, of course). But, I am not suggesting that the conscious observer’s ability to collapse a waveform means they can control or affect reality using their mind alone like some sort of ESP psychic power.

Instead, since the mind is supposed to be non-local under Orch-OR theory, the observer effect results automatically becomes relevant and supportive to my overall case for God because the immaterial mind is the only true measurement apparatus that performs measurements first on the brain to simultaneous cause a collapse to the wave function.

For example, the observer must first specify or think of which particular wave-function he intends to measure and then, put in place a measuring device that will probe that aspect. Then, only the observer can recognize the answer and understand the results after he chooses between the many possible outcomes.

This is fundamentally why I believe the experimental methods I proposed to test my hypothesis are valid.

For instance, another quantum experiment done on a mathematical theorem showed that “the values that you obtain when you measure its properties depend on the context. So the value of property A, say, depends on whether you chose to measure it with property B, or with property C. In other words, there is no reality independent of the choice of measurement.”

Quantum magic trick shows reality is what you make it | New Scientist

This means that we are not purely passive observers whenever we perform an experiment but are actively affecting what the outcome will be. I highly recommend that you watch this video where I got my information from. It illustrates both my points in a clear and concise manner for laypeople on the subject of quantum physics:

The Measurement Problem - YouTube

@Dan_Eastwood

Now if you changed your hypothesis to “a (divine) designer would not create by means of evolution,” then it might be falsified as you describe

Then, it looks like I officially won you over and I can move on to create the next topic.

@Puck_Mendelssohn

Two problems, one general and one specific: (1) impossibility of a loosely-understood kind of occurrence is just the kind of thing which can never be demonstrated empirically, and (2) any experiment, even if it could show impossibility of life arising under its own conditions (which it really can’t), would not tell us anything about the possibility of life arising under all other possible sets of conditions, both imagined and not-imagined.

No @Puck_Mendelssohn, Its not about nor is it necessary to rule out every possible natural condition in order to confirm or disconfirm my hypothesis. Instead, it’s about ruling out God as being part of the natural process and showing that God is not necessary, which is no different than disproving my hypothesis because the very definition of God is “necessary”.

Now, you did respond with this…

@Puck_Mendelssohn

So, in sum:

(1) You didn’t understand what Rumraket was saying;
(2) You still don’t understand how mingling your philosophical meanderings with the notion of scientific experiments is incoherent;
(3) You don’t understand what philosophers and theologians mean when they speak of a god being a “necessary” being; and
(4) You don’t understand what Sean Carroll has to say.

First off, in regards to your second point, you should know that …“…metaphysical necessity entails physical necessity, but not vice versa…”

In regards to point 3,…“A proposition is said to be necessary if it could not have failed to be the case.”

Metaphysical necessity - Wikipedia

My proposition: “An intelligent designer must guide all life on earth”.

This is essentially no different than saying “God guides all life on earth” because (again) God is defined as being personal and necessary. Moreover, “life” is by definition “digital information”, which is the immaterial means to guide natural processes, as I suggested to Dan.

This means that if a possible natural condition could produce digital information without the input of an intelligent designer, it would disprove my hypothesis.