Indeed.
And that is the position @swamidass’ scenario will take with the de novo Adam/Eve pairing (plus some others).
Whether a Christian includes a global flood or not, by the time of the birth of Jesus, everyone can either be descended from Adam via Noah… or descended from Adam regardless of Noah.
All the humans that never made contact with Adam’s lineage will be gone by the time of Jesus, and thus are irrelevant to the theological implications of the arrival of Jesus.
I beg to differ, as the new science of the Human Past using ancient DNA has no interest in how the Adam of the Genesis story fits into the science of who we are and how we got here.
This scenario, part evolution/part special creation, is being crafted to appeal to Christians who expect a real Adam/Eve pairing - - and yet also find evolutionary evidence compelling. It is designed to be natural and theological in scope.
Naturally, those who are uninterested in theology will not find it compelling. Nor need they find it so. Some Christians, who are already at peace with a non-real Adam/Eve pairing, could still offer this to Creationist family or friends as a way of showing them that both could be true.
This scenario of part evolution/ part special creation is pure fiction made up to appease today’s Christians who can’t seem to deal with the fact that the Adam and Eve story was written thousands of years ago by an ancient middle eastern culture who knew nothing about human history. They were writing it to appease their need to explain who they were and how they got there. What your doing today is no different that what the writers of Genesis did thousands of years ago - making stuff up to appease your adherents.
It would seem that based on the intensity of your rejection of the idea, you really have no plans to stick around. You cannot play the sidelines, shouting “B.S.” every ten minutes.
I will be encouraging @swamidass to invite you towards the door just about every day I see something like this being posted.
There is no way to prove that a human couple can’t be created by God.
But there is plenty of evidence for Evolution. So, if Creationists have some special machinery in their head that won’t let them abandon a de novo couple, then we show them that such a couple can exist as part of the evolutionary tree… rather than instead of it.
The Creationists are the ones providing the “certainty”. We are the ones providing the reality. And in the process, if successful, we will be able to slowly but surely release the Science-Denying Creationist grip around America’s neck.
This is an educational process about how to combine a specific kind of spirituality with the evidences of Evolution. There really isn’t anything here to hold your interest … because there’s nothing in the program for an Atheist to have a platform on disproving God.
But we do have some nice prizes in the back… please take one and go.
@Patrick, if you are not interested in finding common ground with people of religious faith, this may not be the right forum for you. You are welcome to give this a shot, but if you do not attempt to build bridges while you are here, it will not make sense to keep you here.
And that position is Pure fiction. You do realize that Tens of thousands of whole genomes have been sequenced across every part of the globe. In addition four thousand ancient genomes have sequenced from 2000 years ago to 440,000 years ago from around the globe. Tens of Neanderthals whole genome sequenced. Denosivians genome sequenced. Migrations and admixtures of ancient populations across the globe determined. Statistical algorithms looking at billions of bases of DNA running millions of scenarios. All this in the last five years! And now Dr. Swanidass and friends are going to insert the Genesis character Adam into solid human history provided by the science of ancient DNA in order to appease Christians who really need an real Adam to make their faith work for them. Wow what hubris.
You describe the scenario as if it is a science project. It is not. It is a religious project with defined scientific underpinnings.
There is no need to get nasty about it. We have both counseled you that “religious projects” are not a good fit for you - - because you deny religion. We can’t expect someone who hates meat to be a good judge of a BBQ contest.
Accept it and stop acting like a crazy man.
You are too kind as usual. He rails against that which he does not at all understand, and has no desire to understand. He cannot enter into our company in this state.
@Patrick is temporarily suspended. I believe in second chances. On Monday, when his suspension lifts, let’s hope we can find a better way of engaging.
If one has the patience to sort through the vitriol and get to the gist of the few actual points he is making, there are some thoughtful rebuttals available. But I certainly feel no need to bother when he is in this state. We all have much better things to do.