So how much has “changed” since you tried, and failed abysmally, to present “evidence for YEC” in this thread:
Have you finally realised that the highlands of Kangaroo Island are neither flat nor uneroded?
You would seem to be flogging the same old dead horse as a year ago.
Speaking of dead horses:
This would be the same Tim Clarey who falsely claimed that:
But [secular geologists]’ve never looked at the rock record across multiple continents simultaneously.
I suppose that I shouldn’t be surprised that Clarey is relegated to Donny’s high-volume, low-rent, zero-credibility Youtube channel, where he received less than two thousand views.
I skimmed the transcript at that period in the video, and all I could see was Clarey discussing (superficially) a handful of places. “Systematic study of all geologic features” would be the lifetime work of thousands of geologists, documented in hundreds of thousands of peer-reviewed scientific articles. The “general conclusions” would need to be consilient with the totality of that research, not a single YEC apologist’s tourist visits to a handful of places.
Nothing has changed. AiG’s current list of young earth ‘evidence’ covers much the same topics that they were using more than 30 years ago: C14 in diamonds, magnetic field decay, human population growth, moon recession.
The only items that could possibly be described as ‘new’ are
He really said that? So just ignoring the existence of plate tectonic theory, which comes directly out of examining multiple continents simultaneously.
@jeffb I don’t want to pick up you, but perhaps you understand that when someone like Clarey simply lies, it does nothing to further the cause of Creation science. That’s why Todd Wood gets a lot of respect from people who disagree with him - because he it honest about the existence of evidence.
3 comments moved because it is my policy to automatically agree when someone flags one my own comments as off-topic. It’s the easy fix that doesn’t require hard decisions.
Yes, Jeff himself provided that quote, on the thread I cited above, here – where he cited Clarey’s book as his “second” major purported piece of evidence supporting YEC.
@jeffb should not be unaware that Clarey’s credibility is in doubt, as @AllenWitmerMiller contributed this video to that thread:
This means that Jeff is ‘flogging a dead horse’ at all levels, both by repeating his claims of (non-existent) new evidence, in recent decades, for YEC, and in citing Clarey’s discredited claims as part of that ‘evidence’.
It would seem that ‘Morton’s Demon’ is particularly strong in Jeff – allowing in the claims of the likes of Clarey through, but carefully filtering out the reception of these claims by scientifically-literate audiences, leading him to try to use them over and over again – with disastrous results.
It should be noted that this wasn’t even the first time that Clarey’s book came up on this forum: it got its own thread back in 2020 here:
A long and detailed read, but here is a comprehensive demolishment of Dr. Clarey’s book by another retired Petroleum Geologist, Stephen Mitchell. I don’t think I’ve ever met him, he worked for the competition but there is little in his article that I would disagree with.
By the way, according to the ‘About’ section on his website Stephen Mitchell is a practising Christian who teaches Bible classes and has leadership positions in his church. There are other sections on his site where he discusses YEC vs. Deep Time, also of interest to these discussions.
It seems that myself (and I think Roy before me) weren’t the first to take notice of Clarey’s hubris:
I was a bit amused by his suggestion that he is the first to do this, but he may be the first to do so from a young Earth perspective. He wrote, “But, as this book will reveal, they have never looked at the rock record across multiple continents simultaneously.” (p. 23). I know that such work has been done by many geologic groups over time. The best work that I am aware of is not actually available in the public domain, because it resides in private international oil companies. ExxonMobil, where I worked, maintains and is continually improving their global maps, and I know others do the same. They have access to seismic and well data that is just not available to the public. I spent several years working regional geologic studies in West Africa, and we were constantly linking to South America. Multi-continent studies are common.
Quite so. Similar things were done in the multinational companies I worked for. I distinctly remember work done to link Brazil with Nigeria, in the end we got acreage in both countries because of virtually identical play concepts.
but there is little in his article that I would disagree with.